Bush Lies

[irishgrl]

Originally Posted by madformac

Ah, so that's why you questioned me! lol.

I wonder whereabouts your judges studied English Language?

I would have probably let it go without consulting the dictionary. I might have frowned a little though!

I would like to go on record that I never stated it was incorrect, merely inappropriate.

p.s. well done on the win!

are you a barrister or counselor or whatever they call it on YOUR side of the pond?

[irishgrl]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Well, I hope so. But, I know so many so called conservatives who despise W., but will never vote for anyone resembling a D, because they think all the D's do is give their tax money to the N word and are weak on defense. Sadly, they may never come around. But, I have changed a few

Also, the polls currently indicate the D's could take the House and the Senate. While I am happy the R's may lose it, I am not really in love with the current state of the D party. But, I'll take the D's in charge anyday

an enlightened view, you've come a LOOOONG way
I think its cliche to say only the Dems spend money (or tax) because if you look at (1) Bush's out of control defense spending and (2) Clinton was the only Pres to have a balanced budget (lets not fight about how it came about, the fact remains he is the ONLY President to do it EVER) you begin to see that the old cliches, propaganda if you will, is just not accurate.

As for giving tax $$$ to the minorities.....(which is a misnomer because they are fast becoming majorities!) Its said that the measure of a country is how well it treats its disadvantaged citizens. And most of these programs were designed to help single women with children. Not a bad idea, certainly nothing to be ashamed of.

[madformac]

Originally Posted by irishgrl

are you a barrister or counselor or whatever they call it on YOUR side of the pond?

No.

Sorry if my post was a bit misleading.. I work in the financial sector these days for a large firm. Actually I might have enjoyed a legal career. There's nothing better than out thinking your opponent and arguing a good case!

But I can be a bit of a political creature at times. I like to watch world affairs and especially at the moment the way the current US administration keeps managing to rule it's own citizens though fear and the lack of understanding (or caring) about interests outside its own country. But I think a lot of people on here have a good grasp of things.

[SuzeQuze]

Originally Posted by madformac

No.

Sorry if my post was a bit misleading.. I work in the financial sector these days for a large firm. Actually I might have enjoyed a legal career. There's nothing better than out thinking your opponent and arguing a good case!

But I can be a bit of a political creature at times. I like to watch world affairs and especially at the moment the way the current US administration keeps managing to rule it's own citizens though fear and the lack of understanding (or caring) about interests outside its own country. But I think a lot of people on here have a good grasp of things.

Thanks for your empathy. I wouldn't have guessed that international folks have sympathy for Americans being lead by the chimp. Thank God it seems a lot of people do not think of him as representative of us! It's 100% true though since he is only representing his base of greedy rich people (no, I'm not saying all rich people are greedy, just the ones who support the shrub) especially those in the oil biz.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by irishgrl

an enlightened view, you've come a LOOOONG way
I think its cliche to say only the Dems spend money (or tax) because if you look at (1) Bush's out of control defense spending and (2) Clinton was the only Pres to have a balanced budget (lets not fight about how it came about, the fact remains he is the ONLY President to do it EVER) you begin to see that the old cliches, propaganda if you will, is just not accurate.

As for giving tax $$$ to the minorities.....(which is a misnomer because they are fast becoming majorities!) Its said that the measure of a country is how well it treats its disadvantaged citizens. And most of these programs were designed to help single women with children. Not a bad idea, certainly nothing to be ashamed of.

My position here has really never changed

As for the giving the tax dollars away, I think most people would do so freely if they thought the govt. could stop the abuse. But, they see, as I saw, generations on public assistance and no motivation to get better. Certainly that is not everyone of even the majority on assistance, but that is what people focus on.

Interestingly, if these same so called conservatives would see the vastly more widespread coporate welfare out there, they would be horrified. I mean take a look at your phone bill and the taxes and fees you pay. Mine total almost $20. One of them is so Bellsouth can provide service to rural areas of Georgia. I get that that is a good thing, but the BILLIONS the govt. takes in for that in Georgia alone (not counting the 180 million or so for 911 service, etc. ) is just too much money. Moreover, the govt. goes not subsidize the average store owner when they need to stock their shelves. I realize there has to be a balance and promotion of industgry is a good thing, but this clearly goes way beyond that and it pisses me off.

[madformac]

Originally Posted by SuzeQuze

Thanks for your empathy. I wouldn't have guessed that international folks have sympathy for Americans being lead by the chimp.

As I pointed out earlier Suze, I think the perception of the average American has actually gotten better since Bush took office.

I've always worked on the factor that whatever the country is, a person is smart and people, in general, are stupid. Use it with any country and it's always the case. Try it out and you'll see it works..

But I know from talking to others, especially other Brits and Europeans that they in general didn't particularly like Americans. I think there are so many reasons but the main ones being based in three areas 1) America is a very young and new country in historical terms but it has become very prosperous and powerful in a short period of time. 2) There is a perception that America thinks it's the best country in the world and superior to all others i.e. arrogant and "if it's not American or invented in America it ain't ****" 3) Americans are rude and self opinionated (this is mainly a French argument which is hilarious because they invented those characteristics and display them better than anyone!).

My opinion why America is so despised is due to the fact you basically have an Empire right now. It will fall of course, like the Roman and British ones did, and when it does everyone will love you again. Eventually China and maybe India will emerge and take over the throne of most hated country. It's human jealousy really.

BUT, lately the feelings have changed towards Americans for the better and it's thanks to "W". People actually feel sympathy and feel sorry because they can see America is really now a dictatorship run by an uneducated Texan chimp. They take pity on the average American and I've noticed it, especially in London.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by SuzeQuze

. . . (no, I'm not saying all rich people are greedy, just the ones who support the shrub) . . . .

Ahem

Actually, I submit even some that voted for W did so not for the tax savings, but because they thought he was better on other issues. Its that whole generalization thing that sets me off ya know

[chiliD]

Originally Posted by estranged4life

this day, I quit beliving ANYTHING the US government told us...I will never believe anything those sick f**ks in Washington, DC try to hypnotize us into beliving. What's really sick is that people buy into that crap the same way we Fleetwood Mac fans believe that the setlist of a tour will be full of surprises

Trust me, I am anxiously awaiting the day that Washington DC (And Hollyweird for that matter) get a good ol' tasting of a ICBM w/warhead...But maybe I will luck out an suffer another stroke and bite the dust before then, Saving myself the stress of flicking through the network news asshats who will make Shrub seem like Jesus-Jumped-Up-Christ as he (Once again...BLINDLY I might add) lead us through dark days.

We're all lemmings.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by chiliD

We're all lemmings.

in shiny metal boxes

Contestants in a suicidal race.

[wondergirl9847]

Originally Posted by madformac

1) America is a very young and new country in historical terms but it has become very prosperous and powerful in a short period of time. 2) There is a perception that America thinks it's the best country in the world and superior to all others i.e. arrogant and "if it's not American or invented in America it ain't ****" 3) Americans are rude and self opinionated (this is mainly a French argument which is hilarious because they invented those characteristics and display them better than anyone!).

The reason that my a$$ is sitting here in Texas is because of who? That's right...Europeans who came over here from Ireland, Italy, England, Germany, etc. America wouldn't be the prosperous, wealthy, wonderful nation it is...without IMMIGRANTS. It would be a nation made up entirely of Native Americans had nobody come from all over the world.

We *are* the best country. So, is every other country. This world...kinda rules. All countries have something great to offer whether it be food, architecture, culture, industry, etc.

Americans are rude. So are the French, English, South Americans, Canadians (Okay, they are rumoured to be the nicest people ever, so...maybe not. ), Chinese, Swiss, German, African...etc. We are all human.

[irishgrl]

Eventually China and maybe India will emerge and take over the throne of most hated country.

I know China is angling for that crown, but neither they nor India are looking at the big picture and they are using what resources they have in a willy nilly way. America exports a lot of raw materials to other industrialized nations including wood to Japan (and I think) steel to China. China in particular is dependent upon our agricultural exports to feed their masses. They cant feed their own population and they are polluting their rivers/skies etc at an astronomical rate. I have a hard time seeing them truly taking over the mantle of Global power, especially if we stopped exporting to them.

I dont know what resources India has, but they are hampered by their cultural beliefs and their population explosion as well. Each of these countries has embraced a Western Lifestyle, but they dont have the proper safeguards in place to ensure a future.

Monkey Boy is singlehandedly trying to dismantle what protections we now have but thank GAWD he only has a short time left. Hopefully the poor sap who has to clean up his messes will be able to undo some of the damage thats been done....

[SuzeQuze]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Ahem

Actually, I submit even some that voted for W did so not for the tax savings, but because they thought he was better on other issues. Its that whole generalization thing that sets me off ya know

I want examples! Who? What issues was he better on? I can't think of a single one.

[irishgrl]

Im with Suze, I cant think of a SINGLE issue Monkey Boy is better on.....
defense? NO
terror? come ON now!
economics? it is to LAFF!
anything else? pipe dream....

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by SuzeQuze

I want examples! Who? What issues was he better on? I can't think of a single one.

That is not the point and I never asserted W was better on anything. I think many people looked at Kerry and saw a baffoon who bumbled in and out of coherent thought. So, they thought even W is better than that. Also, many people will never vote for a D because they think abortion is the murder of an innocent life and the mother has no right to choose to do that. The correctness of that argument aside, that reason for voting R has nothing to do with greed

I maintain to this day that the reason Kerry lost was not because W won - Kerry lost because he had no plan that dramatically differed from W, which BTW makes Kerry only slightly less of a better candidate than W.

[estranged4life]

Originally Posted by chiliD

We're all lemmings.

I tend to believe we are all "just bricks in the Wall".