A new LB Track !!!!

[Madness Fades]

NOT A CHANCE............................ sorry bout that


Ahh, im just dying for a new song its like how a recovering drug addict must feel.
Just one song please anything..... even another Harrison cover will do at this stage.....

[DavidMn]

Originally Posted by Madness Fades

NOT A CHANCE............................ sorry bout that


Ahh, im just dying for a new song its like how a recovering drug addict must feel.
Just one song please anything..... even another Harrison cover will do at this stage.....

I like that. You had me.

[David]

Originally Posted by Madness Fades

NOT A CHANCE............................ sorry bout that

Knock it off!

You can go hear "Heartbreaker" by LB over at the Buckingham Nicks thing.

[shackin'up]

SH*T



grmblmblgrrrrmblgrrr


okay...you had me there.....

[trackaghost]

Originally Posted by David

Knock it off!

You can go hear "Heartbreaker" by LB over at the Buckingham Nicks thing.

Exactly! Heartbreaker/Circles In Time is a new song to us.
Last year we had Shut Us Down.
As any Lindsey fan knows, two new songs in as many years is pretty good going.

[shackin'up]

Originally Posted by trackaghost

Exactly! Heartbreaker/Circles In Time is a new song to us.
Last year we had Shut Us Down.
As any Lindsey fan knows, two new songs in as many years is pretty good going.

What's your opinion on Circles in time/heartbreaker?

[trackaghost]

Originally Posted by shackin'up

What's your opinion on Circles in time/heartbreaker?

I think it's great, almost hard rock.
It makes me wonder what the second Buckingham Nicks album would have been like. Would Lindsey have experimented with a rockier sound perhaps?
He definitely had to compromise that when he joined Fleetwood Mac, don't you think? Circles In Time/Heartbreaker certainly wouldn't have fit with the dreamy Californian sound of the white album.

What do you think of it Gerald?

[face of glass]

Originally Posted by trackaghost

He definitely had to compromise that when he joined Fleetwood Mac, don't you think?

Who knows, after all Bob Welch left to found Paris partly because he wanted to explore the Zeppelinish hard rock sound that the rest of Fleetwood Mac wasn't interested in at the time.
I don't think Lindsey necessarily compromised that much though, he didn't get rid of his acoustic (albeit he plays them with an electric guitar) side for this newly discovered live set completely anyway. The beautiful guitar instrumentals are still here, not just "Django" but the apparently then newly-written "NGBA". And he altered ending of "Crystal" for the White Album. On this live take that we now have they build up to an ending that buries the 1973 album take, he plays less notes powerfully. But then in 1975 he just picks beautifully over the coda. Just almost totally different approaches, so I can't say which I would choose over the other!

So there probably was some compromise, Lindsey and Stevie had to fit in to the playing style of the new band. I don't believe Lindsey himself would have been interested in a harder rock sound in the studio at that point though. When we compare the Buckingham Nicks album to the live takes, and the live takes of the White Album to the studio versions of those, they always rocked the tracks up live and left the subtlety for studio.

Speaking of these "new" live tracks, like I said, the ending to "Crystal" just stuns me out. Played with a cheap-sounding guitar but with raw feeling. "Frozen Love" is played perfectly as well, I miss nothing from its studio counterpart.

"Heartbreaker", wonder if the title comes from the Zeppelin song of the same name? A wonderfully grooving piece with nifty riffage, but I can see why he dropped it; it's not quite as memorable as the other stuff he was coming up with at the time.

This early "NGBA", although it probably uses the same chords as the Rumours one, has a different feel to me because it sounds more simple in this electric arrangement. Up to the point and pretty, but obviously he wanted to rearrange it later on. And here the band accompanies Lindsey just like Mick and John would do for the 1977 and 2003-2004 live versions.

And overall, while Fleetwood Mac would obviously perform "Rhiannon", "Monday Morning" and "Don't Let Me Down Again" more professionally and refined, I just get a kick out of these versions, even "MM" with it's plodding tempo. There's just an apparent enthusiasm in all of this stuff; this is a band with something to prove to audiences and themselves. Fleetwood Mac had that in 1975 too, but it's just too difficult for me to make up my mind on whether I prefer the Buckingham Nicks band versions or the FM versions.

Overall, the find of the year for me. No need for a new Lindsey album to me after listening to these, at least in 2006.

[David]

Originally Posted by face of glass

And he altered ending of "Crystal" for the White Album. On this live take that we now have they build up to an ending that buries the 1973 album take, he plays less notes powerfully. But then in 1975 he just picks beautifully over the coda. Just almost totally different approaches, so I can't say which I would choose over the other!

I think the idea behind Christine's wandering Moog lines on the 1975 "Crystal" is to build on & then go off in a different direction from the string outro on the 1973 album track. It was probably very abrupt in terms of conception & definitely extemporaneous in terms of execution. It may not even have been Lindsey's idea. Undoubtedly the thought occurred to all five of them & to the producer, "What do we do for the ending? Bring in strings? Outro with guitar? Keyboards?" etc. etc.

New people in bands always takes compromising--a lot or a little. It's not only a compromise for the new people joining but also for the existing band members. Just little things, even: the way you play in some ways. Because everybody is trying to A) form a pocket & B) lock in to it. So you play with your attack & your dynamics & all that. I'm sure even Mick & John did that to an extent when the new guitarist came in.

In terms of more serious compromises, Lindsey may have felt he needed to do so in the beginning, but I don't think too many years went by before he felt he could revert to whatever his musical agenda was when he joined. I think the other four realized that he was the strongest musical voice in terms of conception, so many of the reins were handed over. It was like saying to your friend, "Okay, here. You drive." But you still stay in the car & complain when he turns left & you want to turn right, etc.

[shackin'up]

I love Monday Morning too. Their harmonies come to the surface alot more due too "more space" and that adds . it's almost a countrysong this way.

Their harmonies are wonderfully lush throughout. Lola! And I cant get enough of the rocking Sorcerer and the ending of Crystal is just creepingly beautiful. He plays so unpolished and hard throughout the set that gives the whole a more hardrocking feel. The bassist is constantly hammering the snares: sometimes great (Heartbreaker.-when you've heard it twenty times or more it's as catchy as the other stuff he came up with not much later.) but he does it too much: funky bass can work but not throughout a countryrockin' set. But that's the only criticism I have in this euforic state of mind I'm in....

About "almost hardrock": Lindsey will never be a hardrocker because he isn't. He's a popfolkie-a folkpoppie-a folkrocker-or a rockfolker-whatever, he can play as loud as he wants, write as hard as he wants, it will always be a heavy Buckinghamsong, not a hardrockpiece-he just can't. I think he has compromised alot in his life, but that's his thing: sensibility for other musical senses, adapt them and bow them into his own vision.
I must say that this whole set has a lot of selfesteem: loose, lush, raw...man what do we wish more...........


I Don't Want To Know!!

[trackaghost]

Originally Posted by David

In terms of more serious compromises, Lindsey may have felt he needed to do so in the beginning, but I don't think too many years went by before he felt he could revert to whatever his musical agenda was when he joined. I think the other four realized that he was the strongest musical voice in terms of conception, so many of the reins were handed over. It was like saying to your friend, "Okay, here. You drive." But you still stay in the car & complain when he turns left & you want to turn right, etc.

Definitely! I think he compromised some of his ideas at first. He may well have been interested in going in a rockier direction but had to hold back. I think I'm So Afraid shows signs of that too. I know he said he had to even compromise his choice of guitar too. But eventually he was confident enough to make Tusk, and he didn't have to compromise there at all I think.

[David]

Originally Posted by shackin'up

I love Monday Morning too. Their harmonies come to the surface alot more due too "more space" and that adds . it's almost a countrysong this way.

The harmonies on this jumped out at me because I knew they brought back those harmonies in Los Angeles in 1980:

http://s35.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2...O239V8ANYAZHC5

Compare the two on the verse that goes:
I got nothing but love for you
Tell me what you really wanna do
First you love me
Then you get on down the line
But I don't mind

[wondergirl9847]

Originally Posted by shackin'up

(Heartbreaker.-when you've heard it twenty times or more it's as catchy as the other stuff he came up with not much later.)

WTH is Heartbreaker?!! Where are you guys hearing that? I only know of the BN tracks...is that an alternative name for that Circle song?

[PenguinHead]

You're just a dirty song teaser. Not that funny.

Originally Posted by Madness Fades

NOT A CHANCE............................ sorry bout that


Ahh, im just dying for a new song its like how a recovering drug addict must feel.
Just one song please anything..... even another Harrison cover will do at this stage.....

[Jyqm]

Originally Posted by wondergirl9847

WTH is Heartbreaker?!! Where are you guys hearing that? I only know of the BN tracks...is that an alternative name for that Circle song?

In a word: yes.