What are your unpopular Stevie opinions - Page 24

carrie721 · #**346** 03-09-2006, 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghost_Tracker

For whatever it's worth (very little, many would feel), on paper a 115 I.Q. means that a person should be able to do, for example, schoolwork that a 12 year old could do without extreme difficulty, when they are 10 years old. It's certainly not "low." But I'm sure many, many people would feel that the whole thing is just buschwa anyway. By the way, for whatever it's worth, George Bush's is 140.

So uhhh...

uh, ghost_tracker, have you ever taken a psych stats class? you keep answering questions with your "many would feel"s and "in my opinion"s followed by false or vague information. what does "buschwa" mean, anyway?

Quote:

Originally Posted by DavidMn

Someone told me once my IQ was like 115, I guess that's good?

yes, an iq of 115 is good! 115 is one standard deviation above average, which puts you in about the 80th percentile.

JWS · #**347** 03-09-2006, 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghost_Tracker

By the way, for whatever it's worth, George Bush's is 140.

So uhhh...

That interesting. I read somewhere (maybe Time magazine) that George Bush's IQ is average and at the bottom end of post WW2 Presidents. Bill Clinton and Nixon are at the top of the IQ list. Bush didn't qualify to get into University of Texas law school.

Ghost_Tracker · #**348** 03-09-2006, 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JWS

All this IQ talk got me to research the distribution. This is from wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ#IQ_score_distribution

I have also read that Stevie has a "high" IQ, but don't it's anywhere near 150. According to the table below, if Stevie's IQ is 150 she is the top .04%

137 to 150 99.3 – 99.96
above 150 99.96 – 100

Due to these differences, percentiles are more accurate measurements than IQ numbers.

I'm not familiar with all the different scales but this, of course, is not the one I meant with my claim that "Stevie has an I.Q. of 150 or so." Really what I meant was sort of a "dummied down" version - if they were able to work around any difficulties she may have had (and if school had interested her enough), then I bet she would have been able to do college-level work while still a young teenager. But maturity is important for that also, of course, at least in a way, and even if the opportunity had presented itself I doubt she would have felt ready. Anyway I really mean it more as a sort of "rule of thumb" - like, 1.5 X 10 years old = 15 year old's abilities by the age of ten - or, since there's maturity issues as well, then 1.5 X 20 years old = 30 year old's abilities by the age of 20. Yeah, I realize I'm being HORRIBLY unscientific and inaccurate here, I'm just sayin', like, "general rule of thumb" stuff. ANY-way my only real point was, don't underestimate her, in her own way she's "smarter than she looks."

Ghost_Tracker · #**349** 03-09-2006, 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JWS

That interesting. I read somewhere (maybe Time magazine) that George Bush's IQ is average and at the bottom end of post WW2 Presidents. Bill Clinton and Nixon are at the top of the IQ list. Bush didn't qualify to get into University of Texas law school.

Uhm, like I said in a different post, I think maybe there's different scales. One of them ( the one you posted ) is apparently much more "demanding" and there's far fewer people who are "high up on the charts." I would imagine that the family of someone who wants to be President would tend to emphasize the one they felt made him look "smarter," if 'ya catch my drift.

For what-
ever it's worth I read that both George Bush Senior's and Bill Clinton's I.Q.'s are 180. ANY-way obviously they're just numbers and many people feel that they mean nothing anyway. Stevie could sit around and be the smartest person in the world, but if she had never written a song in her life or whatever, no one would even know it.

carrie721 · #**350** 03-09-2006, 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JWS

That interesting. I read somewhere (maybe Time magazine) that George Bush's IQ is average and at the bottom end of post WW2 Presidents. Bill Clinton and Nixon are at the top of the IQ list. Bush didn't qualify to get into University of Texas law school.

i think there are so many people with different motives throwing around numbers out there that we'll never know the truth - but i'm certainly more inclined to believe your info. than 140!

Ghost_Tracker · #**351** 03-09-2006, 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carrie721

i think there are so many people with different motives throwing around numbers out there that we'll never know the truth - but i'm certainly more inclined to believe your info. than 140!

Well, let me phrase it like this - I seriously doubt George W. Bush is in the "99.3 – 99.96" percentile range. But with highly-skilled tutors, plenty of time, a good learning envirnment, etc., I could picture him being able to do schoolwork at the level of a 14-year old, when he was 10. (Again, assuming no motivational problems, etc.) In the same way, I could picture Stevie writing songs at age 25 that most "average" songwriters couldn't even come NEAR until age 37, 38 or so. Again, I know it doesn't really work that way; I'm just saying like, "general rule of thumb."

JWS · #**352** 03-09-2006, 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghost_Tracker

ANY-way my only real point was, don't underestimate her, in her own way she's "smarter than she looks."

Yes. I agree whole heartedly there. Forget the IQ numbers, Stevie is a very bright gal.

David · #**353** 03-09-2006, 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghost_Tracker

Well, let me phrase it like this - I seriously doubt George W. Bush is in the "99.3 – 99.96" percentile range. But with highly-skilled tutors, plenty of time, a good learning envirnment, etc., I could picture him being able to do schoolwork at the level of a 14-year old,

Now I agree with that!

Quote:

... when he was 10.

Oh. Now I disagree with you again.

Ghost_Tracker · #**354** 03-09-2006, 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David

Now I agree with that!
Oh. Now I disagree with you again.

jannieC · #**355** 03-09-2006, 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghost_Tracker

And I still claim that whatever her I.Q. happens to be, it's higher than most people realize. There's different scales, but on one of them, 150 isn't "at the far end of the bell curve" - I've known plenty of people in that range. And for whatever it's worth I did read that most successful rock stars have an I.Q. of 150 or higher.

There really are different scales by the way - according to one of them, Einstein's I.Q. was "only" 160. But by another scale, it was well over 225.

This whole IQ conversation is weirding me out. There is no way we can speculate what Stevie or anyone else's IQ is. And even if we did have that information, it would make no difference, really. I definitely don't want to come off sounding like I'm an expert--I'm not-- but I do have a B.S. in Psychology and I know that these numbers are really unimportant. That being said, an IQ of 150 is waaay over the top 2% of the population, which is roughly 130. Somehow I'm thinking Stevie, along with all these "other rock stars", isn't mensa level.

Why can't we just say that we think Stevie is really smart? Why do we have to put a number out there that is not even verified?

David- if you took an IQ test and scored 115, then that's really good! But again, these results are really not considered important when looking at intelligence.

SapphireSister · #**356** 03-09-2006, 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David

This was taped around January 1984 on Solid Gold, a cheesy old TV show devoted to the Hit Parade which was supposed to compete against Casey Kasem's America's Top 40.

Stevie was drumming up a little further interest in "The Wild Heart" as well as gearing up for a spring '84 tour -- neither of which occurred.

What song was Elaine in and who's Elaine? It wasn't during the SB performance. I want to watch it on youtube.

EnchantedSLN · #**357** 03-09-2006, 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SapphireSister

What song was Elaine in and who's Elaine? It wasn't during the SB performance. I want to watch it on youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0ru2...20stand%20back

David · #**358** 03-09-2006, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jannieC

Why can't we just say that we think Stevie is really smart?

I won't even say that. In the brain department, I think she's completely average.

But she's a cool lady with a neato style & good singer & she was Miss Mojo in Fleetwood Mac & she RAWKS!!!

Serrart · #**359** 03-09-2006, 05:49 PM

To use IQ tests for me is a presumptuous, unimportant and pathetic attempt to try to predict the future, and rationalize other people's attitudes, IMO.

The intelligence I care for it measures the way you survive to your talent, expressed or unexpressed, whatever it is, singing, sewing, fishing, etc. I'd say that someone who after more than thirty years in the show business, passing through break-ups, drugs, greedy entourages, thousands of concerts, losses of every genres, is still there alive kicking and rocking is very intelligent.

Maybe those who keep treating Stevie as a rock doll, should think for a moment on the way they are coping with their talent... if they really know what is it.

Romy

suzyvermoesen · #**360** 03-09-2006, 05:55 PM

To get back to the initial question:
I like Stevie's version of Don't Stop and World Turning better than Christine's.

And having said that i will now quietly disappear from the face of the earth...