Peter Green influence on contemporary musicians?

[bretonbanquet]

Originally Posted by sharksfan2000

and Hendrix's "Pali Gap" (which I haven't heard) since a couple of people here mentioned that they felt it may have been influenced by some of Peter's work - specifically "Underway", "Albatross", and "World In Harmony".

"World In Harmony" was mostly written by Danny Kirwan of course - Danny was stuck for a solo, Peter contributed one, and Danny gave him a co-writing credit for it.

[sharksfan2000]

Originally Posted by bretonbanquet

"World In Harmony" was mostly written by Danny Kirwan of course - Danny was stuck for a solo, Peter contributed one, and Danny gave him a co-writing credit for it.

I knew if I didn't point that out in my post, someone else would! Good for you, bretonbanquet!

Thinking off the top of my head about Santana tracks that are close to the feel of "The Supernatural"......"Samba Pa Ti" comes to mind, but I don't know that I think of it as directly inspired by "The Supernatural". Anyone else care to comment?

[BklynBlue]

Originally Posted by bretonbanquet

For example, when Mike Vernon first heard Danny Kirwan playing, he thought he sounded just like Lowell Fulson. Vernon told Peter Green, who agreed. Later, once Danny was in Fleetwood Mac, Vernon asked him what he thought of Fulson, and Danny said, "Who's Lowell Fulson?"

thanks for that quote! I can just imagine Kirwan saying that too.
I have a number of Fulson's recordings, covering a number of years, and I personally don't hear anything similar to Kirwan's style - but I have no problem deferring to Vernon and Green on that one - if they say that it who Kirwan's playing reminds them of, who am I to argue!

As to "direct" contemporary influences, I would say that Santana's approach to his cover of "Black Magic Woman" owes more to Green's playing on "I Loved Another Woman" than on "BMW" itself, and since I mentioned Led Zeppelin earlier, the coda on the end of Kirwan's "Coming Your Way" owes a debt, IMHO, to Zeppelin's "Dazed and Confused" (which they stole from a singer songwriter named Jake Holmes - the song, not the arrangement)

P.S. I realize that Zeppelin's version was not released until January of 1969 and that Kirwan cut "Coming Your Way" at his October 1968 session with Vernon, but Page had been playing "Dazed and Confused" was in the set lists of both the Yardbirds and New Yardbirds.

[madformac]

I read an old article recently where Lindsey Buckingham refers to David Gilmour and Peter Green as big influences.. He mentioned Eric Clapton was too much straight blues but those two had more scope to play within the boundaries.

[bretonbanquet]

Originally Posted by BklynBlue

thanks for that quote! I can just imagine Kirwan saying that too.
I have a number of Fulson's recordings, covering a number of years, and I personally don't hear anything similar to Kirwan's style - but I have no problem deferring to Vernon and Green on that one - if they say that it who Kirwan's playing reminds them of, who am I to argue!

I agree with you totally on that, but Vernon has also said that once Kirwan had been in the band for a short time, his style seemed to change away from the Fulson-esque sound. So maybe we need someone to unearth some Boilerhouse bootlegs in order to appreciate the comparison

As for Santana's "Samba Pa TÃ*", I've always thought I heard hints of Peter Green on that tune. Maybe not directly linked to "The Supernatural", but definitely that kind of vibe.

[bretonbanquet]

Originally Posted by madformac

I read an old article recently where Lindsey Buckingham refers to David Gilmour and Peter Green as big influences.. He mentioned Eric Clapton was too much straight blues but those two had more scope to play within the boundaries.

Now you mention it, I often think there's more of Danny's style than Peter's in Lindsey's playing. Maybe I'm a bit Danny-centric, but I recall other people saying the same thing. Although, I've never heard Lindsey mention Danny at all.

[madformac]

Originally Posted by bretonbanquet

Now you mention it, I often think there's more of Danny's style than Peter's in Lindsey's playing. Maybe I'm a bit Danny-centric, but I recall other people saying the same thing. Although, I've never heard Lindsey mention Danny at all.

I'd agree with that, I think Lindsey and Danny both played with more flair than Pete too, I would say Pete's connection with the inner emotion or having "the feel" was somewhat deeper than both of them though..

[bretonbanquet]

Originally Posted by madformac

I'd agree with that, I think Lindsey and Danny both played with more flair than Pete too, I would say Pete's connection with the inner emotion or having "the feel" was somewhat deeper than both of them though..

I agree - Pete's playing was all about feel, I think. And Lindsey and Danny had/have great style but with less raw emotion - actually it's hard to think of any player who compares with Peter on that score. Also I would say Danny played with more emotion when he first joined Mac (e.g. "Something Inside of Me" and "Without You"), but that gradually decreased over 1969-70 and onwards.

[chiliD]

Originally Posted by sharksfan2000

I knew if I didn't point that out in my post, someone else would! Good for you, bretonbanquet!

Thinking off the top of my head about Santana tracks that are close to the feel of "The Supernatural"......"Samba Pa Ti" comes to mind, but I don't know that I think of it as directly inspired by "The Supernatural". Anyone else care to comment?

"Europa".

[aleuzzi]

Didn't Thin Lizzy do "Oh Well"?

I know Judas Priest, an unlikely torch-bearer of the Green legacy, used "The Green Manalishi" as an integral part of their shows for years and years. It remains the most commerically known version of the song in the US.

I saw Aerosmith in 1984 (couple years before their "Permanent Vacation" comeback) where they performed "Oh Well."

With regards to Lindsey (mentioned earlier in the thread), Mick has noted that "World Turning" from the 75 white album is a conscious reworking of Green's "World Keep on Turning" from the band's first record.

Just saw "Munich," by the way, where a Lebanese band was playing a very exotic instrumental version of "Black Magic Woman." The Green God's everywhere.

[sharksfan2000]

Originally Posted by chiliD

"Europa".

Yeah, good call, chiliD. Santana's guitar work on that has some definite similarities to "The Supernatural".

[chiliD]

Originally Posted by aleuzzi

I saw Aerosmith in 1984 (couple years before their "Permanent Vacation" comeback) where they performed "Oh Well.".

They've also done "Rattlesnake Shake" & "Stop Messin' Round".

[chiliD]

Originally Posted by bretonbanquet

I agree - Pete's playing was all about feel, I think. And Lindsey and Danny had/have great style but with less raw emotion - actually it's hard to think of any player who compares with Peter on that score. Also I would say Danny played with more emotion when he first joined Mac (e.g. "Something Inside of Me" and "Without You"), but that gradually decreased over 1969-70 and onwards.

The thing is, BOTH Lindsey & Danny sound like they're playing musical instruments...Peter Green's guitar sounds as if it is coming directly from his soul.

[madformac]

Originally Posted by chiliD

The thing is, BOTH Lindsey & Danny sound like they're playing musical instruments...Peter Green's guitar sounds as if it is coming directly from his soul.

That's the best post I've ever read on The Ledge... I shall steal it for my signature.. Oh yes...

Oh and another thing, Lindsey and Danny both played with passion. Peter played with emotion. To me there is a big difference.

[chiliD]

To me, Lindsey sounds like his comes more from "angst" than "passion" though. Wheras, Danny's is definitely "passion".