more sep. of church and state

[markolas]

Originally Posted by amber

And she quit halfway through the school year, and we had a deaf substitute for the rest of the year who didn't teach at all. He gave us handouts and sat at his desk reading for the entire period. A lot of my classes in high school were just glorified day care, actually.

[ShangriLaTroubl]

We were always taught in school that the U.S.A. is a "Democratic Republic"

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by chiliD

So, let's see...50.7% of the PEOPLE voted for Al Gore in 2000. So, tell me who's President?

Who KNOWS how people REALLY voted in 2004, the machines were rigged.

So, who really knows how "the people" REALLY feel on ANY subject. More politician's spew.

I really think that anarchy is close.

True, but the electoral college is dispositive of my point that we are a Republic, not a democracy.

BTW - Poor Al, will he ever win

[irishgrl]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

True, but the electoral college is dispositive of my point that we are a Republic, not a democracy.

BTW - Poor Al, will he ever win

once again. a "Republic" is a body of people who agree on a particular political system (in this case, a representative democracy). please see
posts #33 and #35 for FACTS to support this statement.


you are using the terms "republic" and "republican form of Government" as if they were interchangeable and they are NOT.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by irishgrl

once again. a "Republic" is a body of people who agree on a particular political system (in this case, a representative democracy). please see
posts #33 and #35 for FACTS to support this statement.

You confuse me with someone who still gives a shiitte

you are using the terms "republic" and "republican form of Government" as if they were interchangeable and they are NOT.

BTW - "and for the Republic for which it stands" or should I say strands

[irishgrl]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

BTW - "and for the Republic for which it stands" or should I say strands

and your point is?

if you'll go back and re-read this thread with an OPEN mind, I think you'll see that we in fact were talking about two different things here (1) a political construct (Democracy--I maintain America uses the representational form) and (2) a body of people (Republic) who agree to be bound by a particular construct

So, your phrase "and [to] the Republic for which it stands" refers to the fact that our Flag represents the Republic of America (the citizens of America)

your other example used the phrase "Republican form of Government" which in our case means Representational Democracy. We are not a Monarchy (tho Bush thinks we are!) We are not a Dictatorship (see previous!) We are a Democracy. We do not use direct Democracy because that is too cumbersome and unwieldy. That is why we elect Senators and Representatives and Governors to represent us. The idea being that the person who wins election is presumed to be wanted by the majority of the people.

I can agree with you that America is a republic--in that we are united citizens (hopefully!) but our political scheme is Democracy, Representational Democracy.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by irishgrl

. . . I can agree with you that America is a republic . . . .

Then why the hell are you bitching about anything else for the last 1.3 million pages as that is what I was saying - says the wall

[irishgrl]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Then why the hell are you bitching about anything else for the last 1.3 million pages as that is what I was saying - says the wall

Because the original argument was regarding American POLITICS

[irishgrl]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I know. Moreover, that is why we live in a Republic and not a democracy. Also, if 50% of the people someday choose to kill all red headed women, should we do that. Of course not.

look familiar? you confused the two ideas. We may LIVE in a Republic, but we ARE a Democracy politically.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by irishgrl

look familiar? you confused the two ideas. We may LIVE in a Republic, but we ARE a Democracy politically.

I confused nothing and you are being beligerent as usual. I am bored of this - so let's go back to Clinton was a facist pig liar and Lewinsky an opportunistic whore

[irishgrl]

Jason, you just quoted yourself OUT OF CONTEXT. That response was NOT to Markolas' question! SHAME ON YOU!

and again, your answer is WRONG. you are mixing up the term for the body of citizens (Republic) with our political system (Democracy). And as for your argument about the Electoral College, I say "Representative Democracy".

You're not going to win THIS ONE.

[irishgrl]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I confused nothing and you are being beligerent as usual. I am bored of this - so let's go back to Clinton was a facist pig liar and Lewinsky an opportunistic whore

I like them both! please dont ask me to choose