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Old 01-16-2006, 10:34 PM
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WASHINGTON, Jan. 16 - Two leading civil rights groups say they plan to file lawsuits Tuesday against the Bush administration over its domestic spying program to determine whether the operation was used to monitor 10 defense lawyers, journalists, scholars, political activists and other Americans with ties to the Middle East.

The two lawsuits, which are being filed separately by the American Civil Liberties Union in Federal District Court in Detroit and the Center for Constitutional Rights in Federal District Court in Manhattan, are the first major court challenges to the eavesdropping program.

Both groups are seeking to have the courts order an immediate end to the program, which the groups say is illegal and unconstitutional. The Bush administration has strongly defended the legality and necessity of the surveillance program, and officials said the Justice Department would probably vigorously oppose the lawsuits on national security grounds.

Justice Department officials would not comment on any specific individuals who might have been singled out under the National Security Agency program, and they said the department would review the lawsuits once they were filed.

Brian Roehrkasse, spokesman for the Justice Department, added Monday that "the N.S.A. surveillance activities described by the president were conducted lawfully and provide valuable tools in the war on terrorism to keep America safe and protect civil liberties."

The lawsuits seek to answer one of the major questions surrounding the eavesdropping program: has it been used solely to single out the international phone calls and e-mail messages of people with known links to Al Qaeda, as President Bush and his most senior advisers have maintained, or has it been abused in ways that civil rights advocates say could hark back to the political spying abuses of the 1960's and 70's?

"There's almost a feeling of déjÃ* vu with this program," said James Bamford, an author and journalist who is one of five individual plaintiffs in the A.C.L.U. lawsuit who say they suspect that the program may have been used to monitor their international communications.

"It's a return to the bad old days of the N.S.A.," said Mr. Bamford, who has written two widely cited books on the intelligence agency.

Although the program's public disclosure last month has generated speculation that it may have been used to monitor journalists or politicians, no evidence has emerged to support that idea. Bush administration officials point to a secret audit by the Justice Department last year that reviewed a sampling of security agency interceptions involving Americans and that they said found no documented abuses.

The lawsuit to be filed by the Center for Constitutional Rights has as plaintiffs four lawyers at the center and a legal assistant there who work on terrorism-related cases at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, and overseas, which often involves international e-mail messages and phone calls. Similarly, the plaintiffs in the A.C.L.U. lawsuit include five Americans who work in international policy and terrorism, along with the A.C.L.U. and three other advocacy groups.

"We don't have any direct evidence" that the plaintiffs were monitored by the security agency, said Ann Beeson, associate legal director for the A.C.L.U. "But the plaintiffs have a well-founded belief that they may have been monitored, and there's a real chilling effect in the fear that they can no longer have confidential discussions with clients or sources without the possibility that the N.S.A. is listening."

One of the A.C.L.U. plaintiffs, Larry Diamond, a senior fellow at the Hoover Institute, said that a Stanford student studying in Egypt conducted research for him on political opposition groups, and that he worried that communications between them on sensitive political topics could be monitored. "How can we communicate effectively if you risk being intercepted by the National Security Agency?" Mr. Diamond said.

Also named as plaintiffs in the A.C.L.U. lawsuit are the journalist Christopher Hitchens, who has written in support of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan; Barnett R. Rubin, a scholar at New York University who works in international relations; Tara McKelvey, a senior editor at The American Prospect; the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers; Greenpeace, the environmental advocacy group; and the Council on American-Islamic Relations, the country's largest Islamic advocacy group.

The lawsuits over the eavesdropping program come as several defense lawyers in high-profile terrorism cases around the country have begun legal challenges on behalf of their clients, arguing that the government may have improperly hidden the use of the surveillance program from the courts in investigating terrorism leads.

Bill Goodman, legal director for the Center for Constitutional Rights, said that in suing in federal court to block the surveillance program, his group believed "without question" that Mr. Bush violated the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, which governs wiretaps, by authorizing the security agency operation.

But Mr. Goodman acknowledged that in persuading a federal judge to intervene, "politically, it's a difficult case to make."

He added: "We recognize that it's extremely difficult for a court to stand up to a president, particularly a president who is determined to extend his power beyond anything envisioned by the founding fathers. That takes courage."

The debate over the legality of Mr. Bush's eavesdropping program will be at the center of Congressional hearings expected to begin next month. Former Vice President Al Gore entered the fray on Monday with a speech in Washington that accused Mr. Bush of running roughshod over the Constitution.

American liberties, Mr. Gore said, "have been placed at serious risk by the unprecedented claims of the administration to a truly breathtaking expansion of executive power."

"As we begin this new year," he continued, "the executive branch of our government has been caught eavesdropping on huge numbers of American citizens and has brazenly declared that it has the unilateral right to continue without regard to the established law enacted by Congress to prevent such abuses."
As long as this issue doesnt die. I think Monkey Boy needs to be held accountable somehow......
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Old 01-17-2006, 12:03 AM
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Good. Gore's speech was fabulous today. It should be shown on CSPAN again tonight.
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Good. Gore's speech was fabulous today. It should be shown on CSPAN again tonight.
And, naturally, the news channels ignored the speech and chose to cover a trucking accident instead. Bush shows up in West Bumble**** to talk about the terra'ists to flag-waving idiots with the combined IQ of the chair I'm currently sitting in and it's covered as an important speech on foreign policy.
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Old 01-17-2006, 12:19 AM
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And, naturally, the news channels ignored the speech and chose to cover a trucking accident instead. Bush shows up in West Bumble**** to talk about the terra'ists to flag-waving idiots with the combined IQ of the chair I'm currently sitting in and it's covered as an important speech on foreign policy.
CNN covered Gore's speech quite a bit. And Larry King is "interviewing" Alberto Gonzales as we speak, although I'm not watching it.
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Old 01-17-2006, 12:26 AM
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CNN covered Gore's speech quite a bit. And Larry King is "interviewing" Alberto Gonzales as we speak, although I'm not watching it.
Really? I didn't see it on there. I didn't expect to see it on Faux News or MSRNC, granted, but I didn't catch it on CNN, either. The man was on fire. Losing that election gave him a spine, I love it.
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Really? I didn't see it on there. I didn't expect to see it on Faux News or MSRNC, granted, but I didn't catch it on CNN, either. The man was on fire. Losing that election gave him a spine, I love it.
Do you think Gore could make a good president now?
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Do you think Gore could make a good president now?
I think he would have made a good one before

Certainly far better than what we got stuck with (ARRRRGH!)
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And, naturally, the news channels ignored the speech and chose to cover a trucking accident instead. Bush shows up in West Bumble**** to talk about the terra'ists to flag-waving idiots with the combined IQ of the chair I'm currently sitting in and it's covered as an important speech on foreign policy.
Well, truckers are sore supporters of our president right?
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