Stevie and Rick Rubin - Page 2

Kelly · #16 11-22-2005, 08:57 AM

Stevie can take guidance and critcism from Lindsey she just does not like to publically acknowledge that. She always plays the hot/cold card...it is more exciting that way, in her opinion. (drama/tragedy makes great art) It has always seemed pretty obvious to me that his opinion matters a great deal to her. Yea, she can get defensive but I bet she does that with alot of people, she just never talks about it. With Lindsey, it is part of the whole schtick. The whole DR doc is part of their schtick. (sp?). How much of it was 'really' about the music?

David · #17 11-22-2005, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Kelly

Stevie can take guidance and critcism from Lindsey she just does not like to publically acknowledge that. She always plays the hot/cold card...it is more exciting that way, in her opinion. (drama/tragedy makes great art) It has always seemed pretty obvious to me that his opinion matters a great deal to her. Yea, she can get defensive but I bet she does that with alot of people, she just never talks about it. With Lindsey, it is part of the whole schtick. The whole DR doc is part of their schtick. (sp?). How much of it was 'really' about the music?

Not much, I guess. It's pretty amazing that the style of playing -- that highly rhythmic picking on "Red Rover" & "Say Goodbye" & others -- that Lindsey was so excited about & using so frequently wasn't even discussed at all in a 90-minute documentary on the making of the album.

Maybe that part is on the cutting room floor . . . .

HejiraNYC · #18 11-22-2005, 04:59 PM

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LOL... Can you imagine Rubin's response to "It's the poet that I am"?
Yeah, this all would require some ego-swallowing on La Nicks' part. But she might be less combative with someone other than Buckingham.

(RUBIN): "Um, I'm not really feeling the whole happy vibe in that song you wrote about Hurricane Katrina. Do you think we can bring it down a notch or two?"

(NICKS): "Well, you wouldn't have told Bob Dylan to bring 'Knockin' on Heaven's Door' down a notch or two, would you?"

Serrart · #19 11-22-2005, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by David

Not much, I guess. It's pretty amazing that the style of playing -- that highly rhythmic picking on "Red Rover" & "Say Goodbye" & others -- that Lindsey was so excited about & using so frequently wasn't even discussed at all in a 90-minute documentary on the making of the album.

Maybe that part is on the cutting room floor . . . .

Well it was necessary, the explanation got lost between Stevie's and Lindsey's shouts.

Romy

dontlookdown · #20 11-23-2005, 11:06 AM

it's not all that far fetched and I think it's fair to say Stevie has already talked to Rick. Right now, he's producing a rock album for the Dixie Chicks.
Apparently it sounds a lot like a great Tom Petty record with elements of
Gram Parsons thrown in here and there.
It would be a perfect sound for Stevie.

Remember Tom Petty's "Wildflowers"?

Jyqm · #21 11-23-2005, 12:45 PM

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I bought the new Neil Diamond record over the weekend, and it's great.
Anyway, ever since I heard of Diamond's pairing with producer Rick Rubin, I've been thinking about how wonderful it would be if Stevie recorded with Rubin. And it's not such a stretch, really. On the Diamond record, Rubin uses several musicians Stevie's worked with in the past (including Heartbreakers Mike Campbell and Benmont Tench).
More important, I think Stevie's at a point in her career where she could actually meet Rubin's exacting standards. Much of her recent songwriting shows a new maturity and earthiness that would suit Rubin's stripped-down approach well. Examples: Fall From Grace, Destiny Rules, Say You Will.
Oh, how I would love to hear Stevie get back to the basics! I believe the results would be truly magnificent.

Anyone agree?

I think a Rubin-Nicks pairing could be very interesting, but not with a stripped-down American Recordings/12 Songs approach. Not for a whole album, anyway. Maybe do half the songs stripped-down, and the other half more in the vein of the harder rock projects Rubin has worked on. Or something Beastie Boys-ish... ?

David · #22 11-23-2005, 12:52 PM

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I think a Rubin-Nicks pairing could be very interesting, but not with a stripped-down American Recordings/12 Songs approach. Not for a whole album, anyway. Maybe do half the songs stripped-down, and the other half more in the vein of the harder rock projects Rubin has worked on. Or something Beastie Boys-ish... ?

I don't know a lot about Rubin, but if I think about the projects he has produced, there isn't anything in his c.v. that leads me to believe he'd care to work with Nicks.

Jyqm · #23 11-23-2005, 12:56 PM

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I don't know a lot about Rubin, but if I think about the projects he has produced, there isn't anything in his c.v. that leads me to believe he'd care to work with Nicks.

No, me neither, I meant to mention that as well. Rick Rubin has worked with a great many artists, but somehow he just doesn't strike me as a Stevie fan. But you never know. Given his track record, I wouldn't have thought he'd be a Neil Diamond fan either.

shackin'up · #24 12-02-2005, 07:12 PM

Rubin would be the perfect match for a new buckingham-nicks album. Partially stripped down. partially rockin' hard.

David · #25 12-02-2005, 09:42 PM

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Rubin would be the perfect match for a new buckingham-nicks album. Partially stripped down. partially rockin' hard.

But everybody knows she'll probably work with Sheryl Crow again & John Shanks again (if he's still employed at her label) & Chris Lord Algae ad nauseum ad infinitum ad astrum (or is the dative "astra"?).

She had several chances in the past to work with bitchin', somewhat raw producers -- Bill Bottrell, Don Was, & the rap guy from Shangri-La, etc. And all she did was scrap the recordings from all of them.

irishgrl · #26 12-02-2005, 10:41 PM

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Homegirl tore Liddy Buck a new areshole over his suggestion for "Thrown Down." I can only imagine the chaos that would ensue if a producer for her solo record told her to go write new stuff, revise her songs, and get rid of the mediocre crap.

Statues would collapse. Buildings would fall down. Clouds would gather. The sun would retreat. The ground would shake. Fire would shoot out of her coke-ravaged nose. Every copy of Street Angel would spontaneously combust in bargain bins nationwide.

Diss, you are a Laff Riot! tell me tho: why do you think we wont get any more albums out of her? do you know something we dont? (and by "we", I mean me, the uninformed and clueless)

markolas · #27 12-02-2005, 10:53 PM

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She had several chances in the past to work with bitchin', somewhat raw producers -- Bill Bottrell, Don Was, & the rap guy from Shangri-La, etc. And all she did was scrap the recordings from all of them.

When did she record anything with Bill Bottrell and Don Was???

I agree that she would never do anything "stripped down," as much as I'd love to hear something like that. She thinks of herself as a big, flashy rock star and she likes big, overdone productions. Unfortunately for us.

markolas · #28 12-02-2005, 10:56 PM

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I bought the new Neil Diamond record over the weekend, and it's great.

This has nothing to do with Stevie, but I'm wondering...

I'm totally curious to hear this Neil Diamond album, but I heard Sony put some kind of spyware in it, so loading it onto your computer is risky. Then I heard they've discontinued the spyware. Do all copies of the Neil Diamond album have this **** on it? It's the only thing that has stopped me cold from buying this.

Johnny Stew · #29 12-03-2005, 12:54 AM

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When did she record anything with Bill Bottrell and Don Was???

Don Was produced "Somebody Stand By Me," as well as Stevie & Ringo Starr's cover of Nilsson's "Lay Down Your Arms."
As far as I know, those were the only times they worked together... though I would have loved to have seen them record an album together.

Bill Bottrell was rumoured as being on board to produce 'Street Angel,' but I don't know if it was ever anything more than just a rumour. That might have been an interesting pairing, too.

Personally, I'm quite fond of John Shanks' production work on 'TISL'... but that's a very un-hip opinion around here, so what do I know?

BombaySapphire3 · #30 12-03-2005, 01:08 AM

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Don Was produced "Somebody Stand By Me," as well as Stevie & Ringo Starr's cover of Nilsson's "Lay Down Your Arms."
As far as I know, those were the only times they worked together... though I would have loved to have seen them record an album together.

Bill Bottrell was rumoured as being on board to produce 'Street Angel,' but I don't know if it was ever anything more than just a rumour. That might have been an interesting pairing, too.

Personally, I'm quite fond of John Shanks' production work on 'TISL'... but that's a very un-hip opinion around here, so what do I know?

Actually after Buckingham and Iovine I think Shanks probably understood best what to do with her.I don't think anyone could have salvaged too much out of the Street Angel period though .She was just too far gone.If she doesn't have some kind of creative Renaissance and begin writing some good new material I'm not sure that we'll be seeing another album though.