The History of the Ledge

[David]

Originally Posted by Jyqm

Yeah, that's what I was talking about. I don't know the details, though, because as I said, I never read the Ledge back then. I frequented AMFM on Usenet instead, which was actually semi-bustling at the time, as opposed to the utter ghost town it is today.

Yes, a small group of loose-knit friends with evil in their hearts & sadism in their blood -- or maybe it was blood in their sadism -- began ragging on other fans & posting their squibs on a deserted ledge page. Well, one of that loose-knit group had an old Internet friend who was very clever & very playful & very vengeful. One of them was supposed to go to the Fleetwood Mac show at Mountain View in 1997 with the other, & for various reasons didn't, & the other became hurt & angry & knew about the deserted ledge page because of having been told about it (purely for reading pleasure), & so adopted the moniker "Sue" & posted to the active ledge pages the link to the deserted ledge page filled with all sorts of snarf & nastiness -- merely as a way to wreak vengeance on the other person (who posted some snarf & nastiness on the deserted ledge page) -- & then the **** hit the fan because then all the ledgies (Type A, Type B, Type O negative, aggressive, passive-aggressive, active-passive, Passover-active, & Passover-passive) found out that this small group of loose-knit ledgies was having fun at their expense, & that was that.

Dozens of problems from various corners of the world followed in the ensuing years. But with each Ledge alteration, the Ledge got harder & harder to read & use. Although by now, I think just about everyone has adapted to the smilies & the User Control Panel & the banners & the avatars & the search function & the logons & the passwords & the members list & the FAQ & the 14 different ledges & the preview function & the additional options & the file attachment capabilities & the link-parsing functions.

And that's the story of the Legend of the Three Birds of the Ledge.

[macfanken]

Originally Posted by Jyqm

So, they're pissed off that they were banned from this site, so they go and create their own site where they only let in certain people and can ban whomever they want?

Lame, dudes. Get over it. And go revive AMFM.

freaks.

[Brad]

Originally Posted by David

Yes, a small group of loose-knit friends...
And that's the story of the Legend of the Three Birds of the Ledge.

Ah, it's all coming back! I had forgotten all about the "hidden" page on the Ledge that no one thought to ever look at. I can't believe it's been like almost 9 years ago already...wow!

Brad "9 years strong and still under 200 posts" R.

[Jyqm]

Originally Posted by David

Yes, a small group of loose-knit friends with evil in their hearts & sadism in their blood -- or maybe it was blood in their sadism -- began ragging on other fans & posting their squibs on a deserted ledge page. Well, one of that loose-knit group had an old Internet friend who was very clever & very playful & very vengeful. One of them was supposed to go to the Fleetwood Mac show at Mountain View in 1997 with the other, & for various reasons didn't, & the other became hurt & angry & knew about the deserted ledge page because of having been told about it (purely for reading pleasure), & so adopted the moniker "Sue" & posted to the active ledge pages the link to the deserted ledge page filled with all sorts of snarf & nastiness -- merely as a way to wreak vengeance on the other person (who posted some snarf & nastiness on the deserted ledge page) -- & then the **** hit the fan because then all the ledgies (Type A, Type B, Type O negative, aggressive, passive-aggressive, active-passive, Passover-active, & Passover-passive) found out that this small group of loose-knit ledgies was having fun at their expense, & that was that.

Okay, so? Boo hoo, people were being made fun of, so what? I mean, aside from the fact of it just being kind of lame and cowardly to scurry off to your own secret message board to rag on other people from another message board.

This all sounds suspiciously like a bunch of stupid nerd crap to me.

And everybody knows how much I hate stupid nerd crap.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by David

ragging on other fans

The very thing that seems to be at the heart of every major blow-up on the Ledge, from 1997 to 2005.

Stevie's right when she says, "nothing ever changes!"



Johnny "Nerdy Hall Monitor" Stew

[Jyqm]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

The very thing that seems to be at the heart of every major blow-up on the Ledge, from 1997 to 2005.

Stevie's right when she says, "nothing ever changes!"

Unless of course... people grow up and get over it.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by Jyqm

This all sounds suspiciously like a bunch of stupid nerd crap to me.

Stupid nerds must rise up and fight back from time to time!
It's how songs are written... stories are told... cheesy '80s movies are started!

[Brad]

Originally Posted by Jyqm

Okay, so? Boo hoo, people were being made fun of, so what? I mean, aside from the fact of it just being kind of lame and cowardly to scurry off to your own secret message board to rag on other people from another message board.

This all sounds suspiciously like a bunch of stupid nerd crap to me.

And everybody knows how much I hate stupid nerd crap.

Not sure if it makes a difference to the point you're making, but they were actually talking about people on The Ledge itself, not another message board on another site. There was an "abandoned" forum that I guess most people thought was non-functional at the time since it had no subject assigned to it and no one had ever posted on it. So the trash talking was actually in another forum on The Ledge.

Anyway, just thought I'd add that even though it probably doesn't matter.

Brad

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by Jyqm

Unless of course... people grow up and get over it.

You do have a very fascinating perspective on all of this, I must say, Jyqmbo: the ones being childish, should continue being childish, and the ones who are just trying to mind their own business and post on a message board, should grow up!

Yipee-ki-yo-yippe-yay!

[amber]

Originally Posted by Brad

Not sure if it makes a difference to the point you're making, but they were actually talking about people on The Ledge itself, not another message board on another site. There was an "abandoned" forum that I guess most people thought was non-functional at the time since it had no subject assigned to it and no one had ever posted on it. So the trash talking was actually in another forum on The Ledge.

Anyway, just thought I'd add that even though it probably doesn't matter.

Brad

Actually, that's better. When people go to whole other sites, that you may not even see, just to make fun of you - that's really cowardly (by the way, whoever you are, I am tracing your IP address ) and lame.
At least on the "abandoned" ledge you could see it and defend yourself.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by amber

At least on the "abandoned" ledge you could see it and defend yourself.

No, no, no, Amber... people should never defend themselves! Only grow up and get over it!

[Jyqm]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

You do have a very fascinating perspective on all of this, I must say, Jyqmbo: the ones being childish, should continue being childish, and the ones who are just trying to mind their own business and post on a message board, should grow up!

You're half right.

But when did I ever say that the ones being childish should continue being childish?

[amber]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

No, no, no, Amber... people should never defend themselves! Only grow up and get over it!

I think he meant defend yourself then get over it.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

The very thing that seems to be at the heart of every major blow-up on the Ledge, from 1997 to 2005.

MAJOR BLOW-UPS ON THE LEDGE?!?!? You obviously were never on the old alt.music.fleetwood-mac, which used to have all kinds of major blow-ups, but absolutely no moderation. It totally rocked! Well, at least until that Stan guy came around and cross posted to the Supertramp, Aerosmith, and AC/DC newsgroups, and somehow got a bunch of Nazis to chase him down there. The Supertramp fans said that guy would kill the newsgroup, and really, they were right. But, he was hardly the only weirdo. Can anybody say Jim Nalbandian??? (That was for David and chiliD.) Relatively speaking, amfm made the Ledge look like a walk in Disneyland.

I'll give a little bit, I'll give a little bit of my love to you.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by Jyqm

But when did I ever say that the ones being childish should continue being childish?

Ah, but you never said they should grow up either!

"All day I've faced the barren waste without the taste of water...."