Diana Krall's Christmas Songs - Page 8

dissention · #**106** 11-02-2005, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by JazmenFlowers

see, this is another thing I take issue with. God wants us to be willing to let him into our hearts, blah blah blah...what are we? some damn lab experiment...he plops us down here and can't control Adam and Eve and things go to ****, there's lust and hate and violence, but at the end of the day he just wants to be in our hearts and for us to love him our entire life and serve him so we can make it to heaven...wtf?

It makes as much sense to me as it does to you.

JazmenFlowers · #**107** 11-02-2005, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

I can understand that. And when looked at that way I see where a sense of anger can come from. It goes beyond any bible story or what you have been taught. The heart of believing is having that safety net. The one who, you know at the end of the day will not let you down. The one who created you and loves as your own unique person. I don't have any problem with people who choose not to believe. I am just always puzzled why they fight so HARD not to believe.

believe me honey, I tried hard for a long time TO believe in everything I had read and heard and was "supposed" to believe.

Brwn_eyes0511 · #**108** 11-02-2005, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention

In substitution for nothing. Why do humans possess the pathological need to believe in a higher power?

I understand that you believe that, but since "God" has never manifested himself, how do any of the believers out there know what he wants? Did Jesus say so? And if he did, isn't it faith that also propels the belief in Jesus? With all of the glaring hypocrisies and contradictions in the Bible, how can it be relied upon for much of anything?

Point being that none of these beliefs have any tangibility to them and are simply proffered by organized religion and the Bible as things that just require your faith. Whether or not one agrees with me, I've always considered the belief in God and Jesus Christ to be very much like the childhood belief in Santa Claus. Children are told from early on that Santa Claus brings presents for them on Christmas, and they believe it.

I understand where you are coming from.

So I suppose there really isn't anything left to say. I just personally choose to believe that I am not the result of some chance accident.

GODDESS6 · #**109** 11-02-2005, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ryan8472

Weeeelllll...back to the original topic...

I can't stand Christmas music. Any kind. I just hate listening to it.

I'm not festive, OK?!

bless you

i was thinking the same thing!!!~ & i love christmas music, but the funny stuff like "grandma got run over by a reindeer" & "rudolph" stuff like that, hey i have a 6yr old & i know soon we will be listening to it constantly as santa is lurking~

strandinthewind · #**110** 11-02-2005, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

You are trying too hard Jason. Why are you even bringing politics into this! I don't want anything to do with that right now...

Because you imply with your altruistic beliefs that all religious people are like you say you are. That is not the case and I think it is important to note that. Also, my noting that has nothing to do with what you may believe. I am just noting that in the real world, few people believe that religion ought to be a total choice.

JazmenFlowers · #**111** 11-02-2005, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

I understand where you are coming from.

So I suppose there really isn't anything left to say. I just personally choose to believe that I am not the result of some chance accident.

but what if you are?

Brwn_eyes0511 · #**112** 11-02-2005, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Jyqm

Nothing.

(Did you know that your posts have to be at least ten characters long? I wasn't allowed to just post "Nothing.")

But why choose to believe in nothing. In other words, if you don't even believe in a higher power, then why does it hurt to at least try to comprehend?

Brwn_eyes0511 · #**113** 11-02-2005, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Because you imply with your altruistic beliefs that all religious people are like you say you are. That is not the case and I think it is important to note that. Also, my noting that has nothing to do with what you may believe. I am just noting that in the real world, few people believe that religion out to be a total choice.

And that is very unfortunate...

Am I supposed to say anything else?

dissention · #**114** 11-02-2005, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

I am just always puzzled why they fight so HARD not to believe.

Who "fights" not to believe in God? Either you do or you don't. There certainly aren't facts out there that one has to turn a blind eye to in order not to believe in God because there is no tangible evidence or a single fact that proves the existence of one.

strandinthewind · #**115** 11-02-2005, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

. . . I don't have any problem with people who choose not to believe. I am just always puzzled why they fight so HARD not to believe.

See, that is not true. It is not true because just a week or so ago, you proudly exclaimed this is a Christian nation and I better get used to it. You exclaimed that in response to me saying that religion has no place in government. Have you changed your position on that?

BTW - me calling you out here is a legitimate response to your statement that you have no problem with people choosing not to believe in God.

Brwn_eyes0511 · #**116** 11-02-2005, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by JazmenFlowers

but what if you are?

I would rather die and be disappointed, than think there was no God die and then be wrong.

If I'm wrong then I suppose I'll just rot away when I die.

strandinthewind · #**117** 11-02-2005, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

And that is very unfortunate...

Am I supposed to say anything else?

Yes, answer my next post (above) telling you why what you say your beliefs are is untrue.

ryan8472 · #**118** 11-02-2005, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by GODDESS6

bless you

i was thinking the same thing!!!~ & i love christmas music, but the funny stuff like "grandma got run over by a reindeer" & "rudolph" stuff like that, hey i have a 6yr old & i know soon we will be listening to it constantly as santa is lurking~

Well he better not piss off Santa then.

Once in 7th grade, they wanted my whole music class to go around singing Christmas carols. I was like "Yeah....you guys have fun with that. If you think I'm going to sing ****ty songs in random classrooms, you're mistaken." They didn't make me do it.

I guess I'm just no fun around Christmas. Ya know, if you're the "Lets sing a be merry, y'all!" type.

Brwn_eyes0511 · #**119** 11-02-2005, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

See, that is not true. It is not true because just a week or so ago, you proudly exclaimed this is a Christian nation and I better get used to it. You exclaimed that in response to me saying that religion has no place in government. Have you changed your position on that?

BTW - me calling you out here is a legitimate response to your statement that you have no problem with people choosing not to believe in God.

Just because I feel that essentially this is a Christian nation...doesn't mean I think that you should have the freedom to believe as you choose too...

GODDESS6 · #**120** 11-02-2005, 03:06 PM

let me just say the thought of you guys sitting whereever you are typing furiously over your beliefs is soo HAWT!!!~