Diana Krall's Christmas Songs

[Jyqm]

Originally Posted by DavidMn

She's known for the smooth jazz genre isnt she?

I'm not especially familiar with her music, but Diana Krall is a bit better and more respectable than "smooth" jazz.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Originally Posted by markolas

There's just too much baggage for me. The only way I can really deal with Christmas is to leave the religious stuff out of it entirely.

But then it isn't even Christmas....

[DavidMn]

Originally Posted by Jyqm

I'm not especially familiar with her music, but Diana Krall is a bit better and more respectable than "smooth" jazz.

Right. I just mentioned that because theres a radio station here in Minneapolis that plays some of her songs that lists itself as a smooth jazz station

[Jyqm]

Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

But then it isn't even Christmas....

Do you really want to go there, Brown Eyes? Do we need to have a little history lesson about how the Christians hijacked the winter solstice as a marketing ploy to win over the pagans? Or about how when Christmas celebrations were revived in Britain and the US in the mid-1800s, they were almost wholly secular?

Do you really have a problem with it if non-Christians want to use December 25th as a holiday to promote kindness, generosity and good will towards their fellow human beings?

[markolas]

Originally Posted by Jyqm

I'm not especially familiar with her music, but Diana Krall is a bit better and more respectable than "smooth" jazz.

She certainly is.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Originally Posted by Jyqm

Do you really want to go there, Brown Eyes? Do we need to have a little history lesson about how the Christians hijacked the winter solstice as a marketing ploy to win over the pagans? Or about how when Christmas celebrations were revived in Britain and the US in the mid-1800s, they were almost wholly secular?

Do you really have a problem with it if non-Christians want to use December 25th as a holiday to promote kindness, generosity and good will towards their fellow human beings?

Of course not. I didn't mean to sound as if I was making that accusation. I'm fully aware of the history of the solstice celebration. However the feast day of CHRISTMAS is one chosen by the Catholic Church to celebrate the day of Christ's birth. I have no problem with non-Christians celebrating the national holiday. It just seems to me that they would call it something else. Why, if you don't believe in Christ, would you chose to celebrate Christmas?

If you’re looking to get into one of your attack Brandon modes and expect me to play along I'm not going to. I just was wondering why some secularists celebrated Christmas...it has always been something that has fascinated me.

[markolas]

Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

But then it isn't even Christmas....

Well...for a lot of people it's not a religious holiday at all, despite its origins. It's a nice time to celebrate being with people you care about (or in my case, people that you don't care about ). I couldn't care less about Jesus, frankly.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

. . . I just was wondering why some secularists celebrated Christmas...it has always been something that has fascinated me.

The answer is they do not. They celebrate something else on that day or they celebrate nothing at all. I do suppose, however, there are people who just for the hell of it and with no intent of recognizing Christ's Birthday, will give presents. For example, some of my Jewish friend's send me a holiday present and I send them one as well. Am I celebrating a Jewish seasonal holiday? Are they celebrating Christmas - No is the answer to both. We are just in the mood to give presents I guess

But, and with all due respect, this line of reasoning from you fits in with your eveyone should be a Christian or is a second class citizen motif. I mean above you automatically assume people celebrated Christmas for the Christian holiday aspect of it. That indicates you see it only as that way or at least the promary way because as you pointed out like last week, America is a Christian nation and those not that way need to get over it

[Jyqm]

Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

Of course not. I didn't mean to sound as if I was making that accusation. I'm fully aware of the history of the solstice celebration. However the feast day of CHRISTMAS is one chosen by the Catholic Church to celebrate the day of Christ's birth. I have no problem with non-Christians celebrating the national holiday. It just seems to me that they would call it something else. Why, if you don't believe in Christ, would you chose to celebrate Christmas?

Because the name of the national holiday is Christmas? And its public celebration stems from a time when religious and secular life weren't as estranged from each other as many folks like them to be today, meaning that the holiday is inextricably linked to myriad traditions both religious and secular?

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

The answer is they do not. They celebrate something else on that day or they celebrate nothing at all. I do suppose, however, there are people who just for the hell of it and with no intent of recognizing Christ's Birthday, will give presents. For example, some of my Jewish friend's send me a holiday present and I send them one as well. Am I celebrating a Jewish seasonal holiday? Are they celebrating Christmas - No is the answer to both. We are just in the mood to give presents I guess

But, and with all due respect, this line of reasoning from you fits in with your eveyone should be a Christian or is a second class citizen motif. I mean above you automatically assume people celebrated Christmas for the Christian holiday aspect of it. That indicates you see it only as that way or at least the promary way because as you pointed out like last week, America is a Christian nation and those not that way need to get over it

I guess so...it just has always been fascinating to me.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Originally Posted by markolas

I couldn't care less about Jesus, frankly.

...But he cares about you!


Sorry, I don't want to sound preachy...

[Jyqm]

Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

...But he cares about you!

He sure doesn't show it. Never even sends a postcard, the bastard.

(Well he is!)

[markolas]

Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

...But he cares about you!


Sorry, I don't want to sound preachy...

It doesn't sound preachy, it just sounds trite.

[DavidMn]

Originally Posted by Jyqm

He sure doesn't show it. Never even sends a postcard, the bastard.

(Well he is!)

If he cares about me, where the F**K is my new Ferrari!!!!!

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Originally Posted by markolas

It doesn't sound preachy, it just sounds trite.

Sorry...It's just a force of habit when someone says they don't "care about Jesus"...that is simply my first reaction. It's just hard to not sound trite when, for me, the only thing that isn't meaningless IS Jesus!