Abortion Stats - Page 6

GateandGarden · #76 10-25-2005, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Neal

Thank god for you Hillary!

That is exactly the way I feel about the issue, but I've never really found an appropriate way to articulate myself so I just keep my mouth shut whenever these topics arise...

Really? Wow! I feel much less alone now.

I always feel like there are no other liberals who feel the way I do. And I understand very well why you don't like to get into it. I took forever just to write that post because I never feel like I manage to explain my beliefs clearly.

DavidMn · #77 10-25-2005, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by GateandGarden

Really? Wow! I feel much less alone now.

I always feel like there are no other liberals who feel the way I do. And I understand very well why you don't like to get into it. I took forever just to write that post because I never feel like I manage to explain my beliefs clearly.

Very well said!!

The Tower · #78 10-25-2005, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by sparky

Tower, where have you been ?

Work is killing me. Last weekend was spent immersed in The Sims 2 and relaxing. Otherwise, same-o same-o. My Ledgie time is mostly during the day and all that other fun stuff that was going on around here pretty much came and went before I got a chance to jump in the hot tub.

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Originally Posted by GateandGarden

Really? Wow! I feel much less alone now.

I always feel like there are no other liberals who feel the way I do. And I understand very well why you don't like to get into it. I took forever just to write that post because I never feel like I manage to explain my beliefs clearly.

Most people don't like the concept of abortion, including liberals. However, it is a reality of life. I think the quality of life is so much more important than the concept of life. So, protecting the right for the mother (and father) to make that is decision is important.

GateandGarden · #79 10-25-2005, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DavidMn

Very well said!!

Thank you.

sparky · #80 10-25-2005, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by The Tower

Work is killing me. Last weekend was spent immersed in The Sims 2 and relaxing. Otherwise, same-o same-o. My Ledgie time is mostly during the day and all that other fun stuff that was going on around here pretty much came and went before I got a chance to jump in the hot tub.

At least you are getting to relax a bit.
Just know when you aren't around you are missed.

strandinthewind · #81 10-25-2005, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by sparky

. . . Just know when you aren't around you are missed.

Did Stevie write that ~~~~~~~

sparky · #82 10-25-2005, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Did Stevie write that ~~~~~~~

You added the ~~~........not me, Frank.....

*~~~~Sparkshine~~~~*

strandinthewind · #83 10-25-2005, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by sparky

You added the ~~~........not me, Frank.....

*~~~~Sparkshine~~~~*

ooooooo - Sparky Mary
well things will be different
when I shave my back
you take all of the clippings
ooooo everything's smooth baby
so sometime tonight ?
ooooo -- I see
Welcome to the heartache
Strandola
FOR SPARKY
When you put down those clippers
you cease to exist

__________________________________

I am sooooo bored - can ya tell

The Tower · #84 10-25-2005, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by sparky

At least you are getting to relax a bit.
Just know when you aren't around you are missed.

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I am sooooo bored - can ya tell

Yes.

GateandGarden · #85 10-25-2005, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by The Tower

Most people don't like the concept of abortion, including liberals. However, it is a reality of life. I think the quality of life is so much more important than the concept of life. So, protecting the right for the mother (and father) to make that is decision is important.

I don't think anyone actually likes the idea of abortion, but I don't think very many liberals consider it murder.

strandinthewind · #86 10-25-2005, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by GateandGarden

I don't think anyone actually likes the idea of abortion, but I don't think very many liberals consider it murder.

Legal definitions aside, I tend to disagree. I say this because I think many people who have abortions agonize over that exact point, but opt for it because of varying things. In other words, their deliberation suggests they think it is a life as well. I know very few people who have an abortion or abortions and think nothing of it.

Anyway - my $0.02

irishgrl · #87 10-25-2005, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by GateandGarden

Honestly, it doesn't really sit well with me and it probably never will. To me, terminating a pregnancy after the first month is killing a baby, but that is a belief, not a fact. I don't know how to eliminate that particular part of my belief system and I regret expressing it, but I have always felt that way. But it goes into the realm of religion and spirituality and then out of the realm of law, hopefully. I don't want to tell people what to do with their bodies, regardless. And I really don't know what I would do if I were in that situation, so I'm in no position to tell anyone else they shouldn't do something. That is how I reconcile it in my mind.

At least you're a bit more open minded than the radical right wingers... (EDIT: I had a brain fart saying that. that is all)

My problem with the war over Roe v. Wade, is that a vocal minority (and it is still a minority) is attempting to push THEIR version of morality on the rest of us. My spiritual philosophy believes that what makes a being "alive" is his/her SOUL, not just the mere fact of breathing.

So the issue would then be, when does a soul enter a body? at first breath? within the first few months? Many cultures wait a certain length of time before "welcoming" a newborn into the world, because they believe the soul isnt "fixed" into the body until then. Some souls change their minds and depart (crib death?)

If you believe in Reincarnation (as I do) you would know that you will live again, and I cant imagine any spirit entering a body destined for imminent death....at any rate, I certainly DONT want another person's morality shoved down my throat via the laws of this country. That isnt right and is just one example why we need to insist on separation of Church and State. No mandatory prayer in classrooms, no "under God" in the pledge, leave Roe v. Wade ALONE, teach SCIENCE in the classrooms, not worked over Bible stories....GAD!

sparky · #88 10-25-2005, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

ooooooo - Sparky Mary
well things will be different
when I shave my back
you take all of the clippings
ooooo everything's smooth baby
so sometime tonight ?
ooooo -- I see
Welcome to the heartache
Strandola
FOR SPARKY
When you put down those clippers
you cease to exist

__________________________________

I am sooooo bored - can ya tell

When I see you again
Will your back be waxed?
When I see you again
Will it be fur free ?
When I see you again
Will your stylist still say
He's still on the the wax bed
Gotta run his Amex
Sparky, Sparky
He's still on the wax bed
Go and get a cocktail
Let me trim your scruff now
Spaaaarrrky
Gotta shave the nutbag
Gotta trim the chest hair
Sparrrrrrrrrrrrkyyyyyyyy