Shame on Beyonce, Rock on Stevie

[xxxmx]

i read it too. if no one provides a source, i'll look after dinner.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by xxxmx

i read it too. if no one provides a source, i'll look after dinner.

Cool!

I mean she played it at all the TISL shows and some of the later ones, which seems to me shows he could care a less. But, you never know

[David]

Originally Posted by amber

Totally. Stevie is a huge Stevie thief.
Oh, and apparently Waddy was pissed, pissed, pissed when he found out that the Edge riff was "stolen" and he told Stevie "never do that to me again" or something.

I never really understood just how that constituted enough of a riff to warrant calling it a steal. It's just eighth notes on an E, measure after measure. The drum lick -- kick-drumming the 2nd beat in a 4-beat measure -- is the bigger "borrowing" from "Bring On the Night," in my opinion.

And certainly the chords of the two respective songs have nothing to do with each other.

[amber]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Cool!

I mean she played it at all the TISL shows and some of the later ones, which seems to me shows he could care a less. But, you never know

well, he was mad when he first found out, I'm sure he's over it. Let's see - my source is a musician boyfriend who told me he read it in a Waddy interview(?) in guitar magazine or something.

So, my source is someone else who read it somewhere. Of course, this someone wouldn't really make up that he'd read a thing like that, he doesn't care about the mac, and so such a lie would be pointless.

[Moony]

Originally Posted by Neal

Beyonce sucks.

I hate that trashy hag.

[amber]

Originally Posted by David

I never really understood just how that constituted enough of a riff to warrant calling it a steal. It's just eighth notes on an E, measure after measure. The drum lick -- kick-drumming the 2nd beat in a 4-beat measure -- is the bigger "borrowing" from "Bring On the Night," in my opinion.

And certainly the chords of the two respective songs have nothing to do with each other.

I didn't get it either when i heard the borrowed from song.

[Johnny Stew]

Waddy discusses the riff from "Edge Of Seventeen" in the interview he did with blackcat for The Penguin.


blackcat: There's something I've wanted to ask you about, Waddy. Way back, in April, 1999 you did an interview with Musician Magazine, with a writer named David Simon. You familiar with that?

Waddy: Yeah.

blackcat: Okay . . . it was a great interview. He said something to you like—
"One of your more famous 'guitar statements' is that staccato opening riff to Stevie Nicks' Edge Of Seventeen. Where you aware of the similarities between that song and the Police's Bring On The Night?" And you said, "I had never heard Bring On The Night, and at that session they told me they were going to do a song based on this feel. I had heard something about the Police, but I didn't know what they were talking about. Then about two years ago, I had the radio on, and on comes what sounds like Edge of Seventeen."

Waddy: Right.

blackcat: Okay. My question is . . . I know of something called "sampling." Was this a case of "sampling" or what was this? I know Stevie doesn't write guitar riffs. Somebody did, but obviously it wasn't Stevie.

Waddy: No, no . . . it was The Police. It was whatever that song is . . . "Bring On The Night."

blackcat: Okay, in the interview you said, "We completely ripped them off."

Waddy: Yes, well, basicially, that's what we wanted to do. But let me say in my own defense, being a respectable thief anyway— if you listen to the Police's song, Andy Summers performs it with some sort of echo unit. There is some sort of artificial "repeating" mechanism going on. And when I heard that, I just said, "I'm not going to do it like that. I don't like that kind of crap. I'll just play the thing." So I just did it the way I still do it, with the hand, as opposed to falsifying it with an echo machine. So it's all dig-a-dig-a-digga. The chords, and everything totally start to move differently. And that drum feel is that same thing. It's that off-off bass drum, against the guitar. So that is what I said. "What? We're doing what? Well, I ain't gonna do that. I'm doing it my own way." And that's how we did it.

[SuzeQuze]

Zeppelin borrowed their stuff from the blues, in some cases using exact music if I remember correctly.

Heart borrowed from Zep, they've actually admitted they stole from them.

Stevie lifts phrases from books and uses them as lyrics.

All art comes from something else to be something new. Its a combining of these elements in a new way that is creative. A new way of seeing it or feeling it.

If what Stevie did was so bad Sting would have sued her.

[Moony]

Originally Posted by SuzeQuze

Zeppelin borrowed their stuff from the blues, in some cases using exact music if I remember correctly.

Heart borrowed from Zep, they've actually admitted they stole from them.

Stevie lifts phrases from books and uses them as lyrics.

All art comes from something else to be something new. Its a combining of these elements in a new way that is creative. A new way of seeing it or feeling it.

If what Stevie did was so bad Sting would have sued her.

Excellent points mah dear

[SuzeQuze]

Originally Posted by Moony

Excellent points mah dear

Why thank you, sweetie. I could use that smooch today!

[paleshadow]

Originally Posted by Jyqm

Of course, she uses the same chord progressions over and over again and recycles her own lyrics all the time. Isn't she just "sampling" from herself?

True. Also a lot of her lyrics are taken from authors like Edgar Allan Poe, and Oscar Wilde.

[LeighB04]

I mean she played it at all the TISL shows and some of the later ones, which seems to me shows he could care a less. But, you never know [/QUOTE]


Besides, they may have settled the difference with either money or a little Stevie-nookie....
Interesting about the "no royalties for Beyonce" though - I have always wondered about that when I hear her starting the show with that song.... does B get royalties for the rest of the song??

[JazmenFlowers]

Originally Posted by LeighB04

I mean she played it at all the TISL shows and some of the later ones, which seems to me shows he could care a less. But, you never know

Besides, they may have settled the difference with either money or a little Stevie-nookie....
Interesting about the "no royalties for Beyonce" though - I have always wondered about that when I hear her starting the show with that song.... does B get royalties for the rest of the song??[/QUOTE]
I've been interested in this too. When I've seen DC or Beyonce in concert they never do Bootylicious all the way through.

[Nixxxed]

Originally Posted by realcowgirl

No kidding!

I'm curious about the Sean Combs 'regretable' photo, though!

I was just in the library, and checked out the magazine rack.

Everyone else's photo is ultra-high-class, very expensive looking clothing and accessories and locations. Puffy is in royal garb, but sitting slumped in a huge throne. Rather than looking regal, he looks small, like the bratty prince who's put on Dad's jewels and jumped in the chair once Daddy left the room.

[UndoingTheLaces]

All songwriters get inspired by people and things. I once wrote lyrics to an REM instrumental and sang it to myself for years, then when I got with a band we reworked the music, but if you had taken the original REM song, Walter's Theme from Dead Letter Office, you could totally sing my words to it.

Speaking of "borrowing" things, has anyone ever heard Drowning in the Sea of Love by Joe Simon (1972). Stevie sang backup on a version that BB King recorded in 1988. Looks like both Stevie and Lindsay listened to the same records. Heh heh.

Drowning in the Sea of Love
Original music and lyrics by Kenneth Gamble, Leon A. Huff

I've been down one time
And I've been down two times
But right now I'm drowning
Drowning in the sea of love

I've been out here so very long
I done lost all my direction
Baby, when you came my way
Thought I had found my protection
But a strong wind came into my life
It surely took me by surprise
I can't seem to control these tears
That's falling from my eyes

I've been down one time
And I've been down two times
But right now I'm drowning
Drowning in the sea of love

Sea of love

Baby, I depended on you
For the love navigation
But now you've gone and deserted me
Can't you see that I'm in desperation
I'm in the middle of a bad love storm
And it's bad as it can be
I look around, all I can see
Is water coming down over me

I've been down one time
And I've been down two times
But right now I'm drowning
Drowning in the sea of love

Sea of love, sea of love

I've been down one time
And I've been down two times
But right now I'm drowning
Drowning in the sea of love

Sea of love
But right now I'm just drowning
Drowning in the sea of love
A sea of love, sea of love