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ShangriLaTroubl · #**121** 10-18-2005, 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by tynan88

Like I said I like political discussions but generally some based on a sense of objectivity. I am hardly conservative but I am often able to see the perspective of one, nor do I consider myself a liberal.

It seems that it is often it turns in to everything conservative is bad or everything liberal is bad.

Well I think what you are leaving out is, there are people who are in fact ,not like you and hold VERY CONSERVATIVE ideals or VERY LIBERAL ideals..it's not always that the very liberal person AUTOMATICALLY thinks everything the very conservative person says is wrong just for the sake of causing an argument--often their beliefs are that far apart that they can sometimes not agree on anything. However in my case, I don't think everything conservative is bad, and believe it or not I'm more of a moderate.

Brwn_eyes0511 · #**122** 10-18-2005, 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by amber

A) That's not actually true.
B) No, you don't warrant/garner that much attention.
C) You just think that because I always insult YOU. I'm not like that with normal people.

And I'm not "normal" because I have a different opinion about how the country should be run!? Hmmm...well, whatever floats your boat I imagine. I suppose "tolerance" stops with conservative views.

Thank God I have other people on the ledge whose friendship I value.

ShangriLaTroubl · #**123** 10-18-2005, 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

And I'm not "normal" because I have a different opinion about how the country should be run!? Hmmm...well, whatever floats your boat I imagine. I suppose "tolerance" stops with conservative views.

Thank God I have other people on the ledge whose friendship I value.

This is not really related, but I was wondering if in your own life, do you have any liberal friends? This is based purely out of curiosity and nothing else.

Brwn_eyes0511 · #**124** 10-18-2005, 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

To clarify... you never said that you don't understand why using the word is inappropriate. But you've certainly demonstrated that you lack that understanding.

And, without speaking for Chris, I think that's what he meant.

I think the word is one of the most violent words in the english language and should be done away with! No one should use it...not blacks and, of course, not whites.

ShangriLaTroubl · #**125** 10-18-2005, 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

I think the word is one of the most violent words in the english language and should be done away with! No one should use it...not blacks and, of course, not whites.

Well see we can all find SOMETHING we can agree on right?

Chris

tynan88 · #**126** 10-18-2005, 02:26 AM

It's the personal nature of the conversation to a degree I don't stand as well, although it does help provide a background on the person, the seeming inability to recognise that in this argument really no one in what I have read has been able to back it up with anything substantial...I mean both opinions ae unsubstantiated...hell I don't even know what the opinions are on anymore, it has just become a slanging match

amber · #**127** 10-18-2005, 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

And I'm not "normal" because I have a different opinion about how the country should be run!? Hmmm...well, whatever floats your boat I imagine. I suppose "tolerance" stops with conservative views.

Thank God I have other people on the ledge whose friendship I value.

I think you are not normal because what you believe flies in the face of logic, science, and all the information we know about how the world works best.
I'm not blindly ideological, I'm blindly intellectual. What that means, is that I study all science, I study all history, I study all sociology, I study all biology, I study all physics, I study all economics, throughout history....
And then I form my opinion, based on all the information that is available to me.
The fact that you do not, is the great divide. It's not my intolerance, trust me.

It's merely your ignorance of all that you could know that presents the great divide. Good try, though!

Brwn_eyes0511 · #**128** 10-18-2005, 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

Reagan was elected in November of 1980.
1983 was near the end of his first term.

Keeping in mind that those fiscal reports were issued in 1984, it seems illogical to believe that Carter could be responsible for a $129 billion dollar increase that happened while someone else was in the White House for a full three years.

Reagan pushed through the Kemp-Roth tax cuts that slashed marginal rates 25 percent. Of course most liberals say that his tax cuts were "irresponsible" based on deficits. That is, of course, nuts. Federal tax revenues went up under Reagan's two terms, from $517 billion in fiscal 1980 to $909 billion in fiscal 1988. Hence, the massive Reagan deficits were due to spending that grew even faster than revenues.

side note...also the rate of inflation was higher in the Carter years than under Reagan

Brwn_eyes0511 · #**129** 10-18-2005, 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by amber

I think you are not normal because what you believe flies in the face of logic, science, and all the information we know about how the world works best.
I'm not blindly ideological, I'm blindly intellectual. What that means, is that I study all science, I study all history, I study all sociology, I study all biology, I study all physics, I study all economics, throughout history....
And then I form my opinion, based on all the information that is available to me.
The fact that you do not, is the great divide. It's not my intolerance, trust me.

It's merely your ignorance of all that you could know that presents the great divide. Good try, though!

And of course I don't make opinions based on "all the information that is avaliable to me." Why would I go and do a silly thing like that.

I thought you were leaving?

Brwn_eyes0511 · #**130** 10-18-2005, 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by ShangriLaTroubl

Well see we can all find SOMETHING we can agree on right?

Chris

Well, yea!

ShangriLaTroubl · #**131** 10-18-2005, 02:32 AM

Well I must go to bed now...I have to get up early and prepare a speech for my Comm class...and what do ya know, my speech is about the importance of politics in my life...Thanks BrownEyes, you have made me see EVEN more so how important it is by sharing your views, and me knowing how much I disagree with most of them...

Care if I quote u in my speech? Ha

Chris

Brwn_eyes0511 · #**132** 10-18-2005, 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ShangriLaTroubl

Well I must go to bed now...I have to get up early and prepare a speech for my Comm class...and what do ya know, my speech is about the importance of politics in my life...Thanks BrownEyes, you have made me see EVEN more so how important it is by sharing your views, and me knowing how much I disagree with most of them...

Care if I quote u in my speech? Ha

Chris

Oh God. Well what are you going to say. Perhaps I can word it better...

Well, if you do use me as an example I will probably come out looking like an idiot...so...

and btw...I didn't realize that we were the same age...lol

Johnny Stew · #**133** 10-18-2005, 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

Federal tax revenues went up under Reagan's two terms, from $517 billion in fiscal 1980 to $909 billion in fiscal 1988. Hence, the massive Reagan deficits were due to spending that grew even faster than revenues.

That seems to be an about-face from:

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these numbers are from early in his administration. Who was President before him? Thank you...

No?

Brwn_eyes0511 · #**134** 10-18-2005, 02:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

That seems to be an about-face from:

No?

Ehhh. Yea, I wasn't clear about the deficit situation. Sorry...

Moony · #**135** 10-18-2005, 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

Look I have gay friends and I do not have ANYTHING AGAINST GAY PEOPLE! But I'm sorry to say that there is no "right to gay marriage" (because let's be honest...that is what you are all talking about when you say "equal rights"). If you can find it in the constitution then you should be looking for Osama, because you can find anything.

Thank you for reminding me why I despise you.