Anti-war protester Cindy Sheehan arrested outside White House - Page 10

macfanken · #**136** 09-26-2005, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ShangriLaTroubl

I've heard Pat Buchanan speak about his reasoning for disagreeing for the war. His reasoning doesnt sound much different to me than most protestors, and regular voters like me who don't. Just because Pat Buchanan and others put it differently, and don't approach it the same...doesnt mean they are any different

Chris

That's what I was thinking... I think everyone is against the war for pretty much the same reasons.

strandinthewind · #**137** 09-26-2005, 10:16 PM

For anyone intereseted, here is a rather objective site regarding the Iraqi War:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_invasion_of_Iraq

strandinthewind · #**138** 09-26-2005, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ShangriLaTroubl

Well first of all, there ARE now so many more who don't support the war in America than those who do...that's a fact. And the pro war rally WAS organized...

Chris

Yes, you are correct - the polls for quite awhile now have indicated that. I think most Americans were willing to forgive the mistake in justifications for the exigency of the invasion because SH was indeed a bad guy - but I think they cannot forgive the bumbe it has become with no end in sight.

lbelle1214 · #**139** 09-26-2005, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

But, the larger point is this guy, like all Americans, was told America would not invade Iraq unless it was in immediate danger. Then he told us about the nuclear stuff and the bio labs that his administration said they knew where they were in an attempt to scare an already scared people. So, from that point of view, it stands to reason that many people enlisted thinking they were going based on those grounds, which IMO would have been valid. Only later was it made public that both of those alleged incidences (and others)were blatant lies as was the conclusion that America was in immediate danger - again, the self touted only justification for this preemptive invasion. So, W and his cronies then say what the hell SH was a bad guy (immediate danger to us

) so we did the Iraqi's a favor by destroying their country and having no plan to fix it.

We and this poor young man were hoodwinked - pure and simple. If it were my kid, I'd feel cheated and lied to as well - how could I not feel that way when faced with the facts.

Sadly, many Americans still believe SH was directly responsible for 9/11, when all facts show he was not and that he nothing whatsoever to do with it. Thus, they cannot believe those facts. That and the fact that most Americans think all Muslims want to kill Americans - Sad - very true.

I do feel bad for Cindy losing her son...I would be angry if I'd lost my brother, or my son, or my son-in-law (who will be going to Iraq after he finishes with Explosive Ordinance Disposal school in 7 mos.). But, to quote my son-in-law..."This is the job I signed on for...I knew why and what I was getting into when I signed on the dotted line. I'm proud to serve my country and protect it from real or perceived threats." Perceived threats...that really got my attention. I do not think that SH was directly responsible for 9/11, but you cannot convince me that there was not a connection. We only know what facts they choose for us to here, and what they don't know, they can make up. I, for one, do not think that all Muslims want to kill Americans...I work with doctors that are muslim...that do not agree with what is going on and dispise the ones that kill in the name of religion. (These are the doctors you know NOT to page during their known prayer time!!) I think Cindy could lend a lot more credibility to her cause if she'd keep her followers from trying to climb the fence on the White House. Is she married? Was that her only child? I was just curious...because I do not know. And the only way I could afford to go on with this kind of crusade was if my son that was in the military had named me benficiary to his estate.

Brwn_eyes0511 · #**140** 09-26-2005, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ShangriLaTroubl

And some guy on the new yesterday said "We are the silent majority" in reference to the pro war movement...what are these people still living in a fantasy world? DO they think 30-something percent of the country is a majority?

Chris

I don't know, lets ask the dismal number of republicans who were actually polled during that "oh so fair" approval rating for Mr. Bush.

Btw...I wasn't polled, nor were any of my family or friends; or anyone I have even met for that matter.

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For this Newsweek Poll, Princeton Survey Research Associates International interviewed 1,009 adults aged 18 and older on Sept. 8-9, 2005. The margin of error is plus or minus 4 percentage points. This poll is part of the September 19 issue of Newsweek, on newsstands Monday, September 12

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Newswe...ith__0910.html

strandinthewind · #**141** 09-26-2005, 10:24 PM

^^^^

Here campaign is being financed by people on the far left.

That comment about being a beneficiary to her dead son't estate was a little uncalled for if you meant it in a "how dare she use his blood money" way

On edit - I have the utmost respect for your family member going to Iraq. Please do not take my statements against W as statements against them or any other soldier there.

ShangriLaTroubl · #**142** 09-26-2005, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

I don't know, lets ask the dismal number of republicans who were actually polled during that "oh so fair" approval rating for Mr. Bush.

Btw...I wasn't polled, nor were any of my family or friends; or anyone I have even met for that matter.

http://<br /> http://rawstory.com/n...ith__0910.html

I havent been polled either...I think out of the number of Americans there are, it is likely you will not ever be polled...Thousands have been polled however, and polls seem to be a pretty accurate measure of public opinion.
However anyone can sign up to participate in Zogby political polls, even you. And I think even with all the varying different polls, all of them having near the same number, is not a coincidence.

Chris

lbelle1214 · #**143** 09-26-2005, 10:27 PM

No one's polled me or anyone that I know...

P.S. Love ya'll....but if you see me out somewhere wearing my "You don't speak for me Cindy T-shirt"....don't shoot me

dissention · #**144** 09-26-2005, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

I don't know, lets ask the dismal number of republicans who were actually polled during that "oh so fair" approval rating for Mr. Bush.

Your panties are showing.

When Bush's numbers are up, I don't hear you complaining about the polls being unfair.

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Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

Btw...I wasn't polled, nor were any of my family or friends; or anyone I have even met for that matter.

Yeah, because out of millions of US citizens and with only a very limited number of poll slots open, you and the people you know stand a great chance of being polled.

irishgrl · #**145** 09-26-2005, 10:27 PM

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That is only because most of the pro-war people have better things to do!

Like watching NASCAR maybe?????

strandinthewind · #**146** 09-26-2005, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ShangriLaTroubl

I havent been polled either...I think out of the number of Americans there are, it is likely you will not ever be polled...Thousands have been polled however, and polls seem to be a pretty accurate measure of public opinion.
However anyone can sign up to participate in Zogby political polls, even you. And I think even with all the varying different polls, all of them having near the same number, is not a coincidence.

Chris

Well, to be called would be a needle in a haystack. They only poll a thousand or so people and like 300 million live in the US

Also, Newsweek site above indicates:

Newsweek flash: Bush approval 38%, 57% have lost confidence in U.S. to deal with disaster
09/10/2005 @ 1:06 pm
From a poll running in Monday's editions of Newsweek, acquired by RAW STORY.

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FIFTY-SEVEN PERCENT OF AMERICANS HAVE LOST CONFIDENCE IN GOVERNMENT TO DEAL WITH ANOTHER NATURAL DISASTER; 52% DO NOT TRUST PRESIDENT TO MAKE RIGHT DECISIONS IN A CRISIS

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BUSH'S JOB APPROVAL AT RECORD LOW: 38 PERCENT

SIXTY-SIX PERCENT DISSATISFIED WITH DIRECTION OF COUNTRY

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SIXTY-FIVE PERCENT OF MINORITIES BELIEVE RACE WAS THE REASON FOR SLOW RESPONSE: 47 PERCENT SAY 'MAJOR REASON;'

64 PERCENT OF WHITES SAY IT WAS NOT A REASON AT ALL

New York-President George W. Bush's approval ratings have fallen across the board in the wake of Hurricane Katrina and a seemingly flawed government response to the disaster, according to the latest Newsweek Poll. Bush's job-approval rating dropped to 38 percent, the lowest ever in the Newsweek Poll. Sixty-six percent of those polled say they are dissatisfied with the way things are going in the United States at this time; just 28 percent are satisfied, another record low in the poll.

A 52-percent majority of Americans say they do not trust President Bush to make the right decisions during a domestic crisis, 45 percent do. The same number-52 percent-do not trust him to make the right decisions during an international crisis, again, 45 percent do. In addition, 57 percent of Americans say the slow response in New Orleans has caused them to lose confidence in the government to deal with another major natural disaster, 41 percent say it has not; 47 percent say it has made them lose confidence in government to prevent another 9/11-type attack; half (50%) say it has not, the poll shows.

The president's ratings on issues having little if anything to do with domestic disasters also declined. Bush's approval on handling terrorism and homeland security is 46 percent, a five-point drop from the August 2-4, 2005 Newsweek Poll. For the first time in the Newsweek Poll, more Americans disapprove of Bush's handling of terrorism and homeland security (48%). And almost half (49%) of all those polled say taking military action against Iraq two years ago was not the right thing to do; 46 percent say it was. This is the first time ever in the Newsweek Poll that more Americans have said going to war was not the right thing to do than said it was.

A plurality of Americans also rates the federal government's response to the problems caused by Hurricane Katrina as poor (40%). Thirty-two percent say the Feds' response was "only fair;" and 21 percent believe the response has been "good," the poll shows. State and local governments did not fare better: 35 percent say they did a poor job and 34 percent say they did a fair job.

However, views are starkly different when examined by political party. Fifty-three percent of Democrats polled say the federal government did a poor job vs. just 19 percent of Republicans. Thirty-seven percent of Republicans believe the federal government did a good job and 11 percent believe it did an excellent job. The Democrats are more forgiving of local and state governments, though not as forgiving as the Republicans are of the Feds. Twenty-four percent of Democrats believe the state and local governments did a good job and four percent say an excellent job. Thirty percent of Democrats believe the local and state governments did a poor job, vs. 43 percent of Republicans; 35 percent of Dems and 29 percent of Republicans say they did a fair job.

While 66 percent of all those polled say a "major reason" for the government's slow response to the disaster was because of poor communication between federal, state and local government officials, 57 percent say a major reason was that the amount of destruction was unexpected and overwhelming. Fifty-five percent believe that incompetence of federal officials whose job is to prepare and deal with natural disasters is to blame and 57 percent believe state and local officials incompetence is to blame.

Whites' and non-whites' opinions also differ sharply. Twenty-two percent of all those polled say a "major reason" the response was slow was that it was not a priority because the people affected were mostly African-American. However, 47 percent of non-whites believe race was a major reason, while only 13 percent of whites believe it. And 29 percent of all those polled and 53 percent of non-whites say a major reason was that the people affected were mostly poor. (Only 20 percent of whites feel that way.)

In general, 35 percent say that the heads of federal agencies such as FEMA and the Department of Homeland Security are most to blame for not getting help quickly enough to the people in New Orleans; just 17 percent say that President Bush himself is to blame and 48 percent do not feel that someone in the administration should be held accountable and fired.

On the topic of rising gasoline prices, 36 percent of those polled say major oil companies are to blame for the rise and 22 percent say the federal government, the poll shows. Seventy-one percent say they have cut back on driving in some way in response to the increase in gas prices and 57 percent say they have given serious thought to buying or leasing a car with that gets better gas mileage. Just 31 percent have actually started car-pooling, ride sharing or using mass transit more often. And 65 percent of Americans say they have taken special steps to conserve energy at home because of rising costs of other fuels like oil and natural gas

On the topic of President Bush's appointments to the Supreme Court, 44 percent say that John Roberts should be confirmed to succeed William Rehnquist as the new Chief Justice. Sixty-six percent say Bush should strongly consider naming another woman to serve and 60 percent say he should strongly consider naming another black or Hispanic, the poll shows.

For this Newsweek Poll, Princeton Survey Research Associates International interviewed 1,009 adults aged 18 and older on Sept. 8-9, 2005. The margin of error is plus or minus 4 percentage points. This poll is part of the September 19 issue of Newsweek, on newsstands Monday, September 12.
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which is hardly favorable to W or the war in Iraq.

dissention · #**147** 09-26-2005, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by lbelle1214

No one's polled me or anyone that I know...

I was pushpolled by Bush's campaign during the last election. Who the hell knows why, but I was. They asked me if I thought that Kerry would be up to the job considering that he once had cancer.

dissention · #**148** 09-26-2005, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by irishgrl

Like watching NASCAR maybe?????

No, silly. Praising the war and the God that is Bush fromt heir armchairs, but not enlisting or having their children enlist.

lbelle1214 · #**149** 09-26-2005, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

^^^^

Here campaign is being financed by people on the far left.

That comment about being a beneficiary to her dead son't estate was a little uncalled for if you meant it in a "how dare she use his blood money" way

On edit - I have the utmost respect for your family member going to Iraq. Please do not take my statements against W as statements against them or any other soldier there.

No offense taken....what I meant was the average American woman, if unmarried, could not afford to take on this crusade without some kind of funds. If it truly WAS from his death beneficiary funds, I would fully understand!!!! Not, "how dare she", but how else could she? I know nothing about this woman like I said.

strandinthewind · #**150** 09-26-2005, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by lbelle1214

No one's polled me or anyone that I know...

P.S. Love ya'll....but if you see me out somewhere wearing my "You don't speak for me Cindy T-shirt"....don't shoot me

It is you right to wear anything you want and I will bitch anyone out who says differently

Just don't shoot me when you see me weaing my

"Frodo Failed - Bush has The Ring" shirt