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Old 09-06-2005, 10:42 AM
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Martial law was declared by the mayor on Tuesday when the city flooded and the looting began. To say otherwise is a lie.

Also, Randi Rhodes discussed a 4 page letter that governor Blanco sent to FEMA which states, in plain English, EXACTLY what will be needed. This was an itemized list, four pages long. To say they did not get aid because they did not ask for it is also a lie. She sent this 2 days before the hurricane hit. You can probably see the details of this at http://www.therandirhodesshow.com
I think I posted it in the Katrina thread. Also, any suggestion that FEMA was not in charge is unfounded because FEMA itself repeatedly said it was since Sunday and the Pres. backed that up many times by asssuring Americans that FEMA was handling the matter with his supervision. So, anything said contrary to that is BS. I mean if FEMA was not in charge, then why did FEMA refuse the numerous supplies offered and opt instead for their own belated effort on Friday

Regarding Babs Bush - I do not think her comment is so horrible in that I think her intent was good. But, others will disagree. Her is cnn's take on it:

Barbara Bush: Relocation 'working very well' for poor

HOUSTON, Texas (AP) -- Former Presidents Bush and Clinton got smiles, hugs and requests for autographs when they met with refugees from Hurricane Katrina -- but it was Bush's wife who got attention for some of her comments.

Barbara Bush, who accompanied the former presidents on a tour of the Astrodome complex Monday, said the relocation to Houston is "working very well" for some of the poor people forced out of New Orleans.

"What I'm hearing, which is sort of scary, is they all want to stay in Texas. Everyone is so overwhelmed by the hospitality," she said during a radio interview with the American Public Media program "Marketplace." "And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway, so this is working very well for them."

Her comments came as the two former presidents visited with hundreds of the 23,600 hurricane refugees and announced the creation of the Bush-Clinton Katrina Fund.

"We're most anxious to roll up our sleeves and get to work," George H.W. Bush said. "It will take all of us working together to accomplish our goal. This job is too big for any one group."

Clinton said he thinks the federal government's response to the tragedy should be examined. But for now, he said, the focus should be on helping the refugees restart their lives.

"There is still a lot of anger. There is still a lot of confusion, but I don't think we should be surprised," Clinton said. "These people lost everything and the experience they had in the Superdome or the convention center was horrible."

The elder Bush said he doesn't like the criticism leveled at his son, President Bush, but added, "As a president it goes with territory."

As the Bushes entered a shelter set up at the Reliant Center with Texas Gov. Rick Perry, Perry and Barbara Bush immediately gravitated toward two children, while former president Bush shook hands with a group of men.

After a brief exchange with one girl, Barbara Bush grabbed her hand and took her to meet her husband. Barbara Bush placed her arm around the girl's back and the child smiled widely as she talked with the former president.

Clinton toured the shelter with his wife, Sen. Hillary Clinton of New York, and Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois.

Obama, picked up a little girl who brought him a small heart she had made in a makeshift daycare center at the shelter.

"What's your name, sweetie? You look so pretty," Obama said to the girl. "You made this heart and you decided to give it to Bill Clinton, didn't you?"

The little girl, named Kearra, shook her head affirmatively.

"Well, I give you my heart," Clinton said, giving the tiny toddler a hug. "You're beautiful. Thank you for the heart."

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Old 09-06-2005, 10:49 AM
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Cut the red tape, Lott says
Criticizes FEMA for holding up 20,000 trailers 'sitting in Atlanta'

Monday, September 5, 2005; Posted: 9:12 p.m. EDT (01:12 GMT)

POPLARVILLE, Mississippi (CNN) -- Sen. Trent Lott berated both the Federal Emergency Management Agency and his own state's emergency management, MEMA, for being mired in red tape at a time of urgent need given the devastation left by Hurricane Katrina.

Lott said he has been trying to get FEMA to send 20,000 trailers "sitting in Atlanta" to the Mississippi coast, and he urged President Bush during a meeting Monday to intervene. He said FEMA has refused to ship the trailers until contracts are secured.

"FEMA and MEMA need to be saying, 'Yes' to Mississippi's needs, not, 'No.," the former majority leader said in a written statement.

"Mississippians are homeless, hungry and hurting."

Similar stories of governmental red tape have been reported elsewhere, including a case of 100 surgeons and paramedics hindered from caring for hurricane victims in rural Mississippi. (Full story)

"This is an emergency situation without peer, like nothing our generation has ever encountered," Lott said. "If suffering people along the Gulf Coast, from Mobile to New Orleans, are going to recover as soon as possible, we'll need an unprecedented public and private effort that can't be hampered by a process geared toward much lesser disasters."

His own home, in Pascagoula, was among the thousands destroyed in the storm. (Full storm)

Bush visited Poplarville, Mississippi during a tour of the region Monday. He told a group of community workers assisting in relief efforts that the region will be rebuilt.

"I understand the damage, I understand the devastation, I understand the destruction, I understand how long it's going to take. And we're with you," Bush said. (Full story on his Gulf Coast visit)

Lott said he appreciated Bush's visit, but stressed to the president the need to cut through the bureaucracy.

Earlier in the day, former President Bill Clinton told CNN the government "failed" the people in the coastal communities in the immediate aftermath of the hurricane. He called for a federal investigation into the handling of the disaster in the weeks ahead. (Watch interview -- 2:32)

In a reprise of their fund-raising efforts during the Asian tsunami, Clinton and former President George H. W. Bush have launched the Bush-Clinton Katrina Fund to raise money for the people Katrina left homeless. (Full story)

Although officials have not put a price tag for the damage in Mississippi, it's expected to be in the billions.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/05/kat...ion=cnn_latest

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I doubt he'd be saying this had Mississippi not been hit.
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Old 09-06-2005, 12:16 PM
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Rove is a peice of shiitte - I mean they are all blabbing that this is not the time for politics - yet that is exactly what they are doing here. Slime.

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Tuesday, September 06, 2005

Bush, Blanco spar over military, visit
Blanco says Army brought attitude, not resources

By Bill Walsh Robert Travis Scott and Jan Moller
Staff writers

BATON ROUGE - Even as teams of engineers worked to patch ruptured levees in New Orleans, a political breach opened between Gov. Kathleen Blanco and President Bush over who is in charge of the post-Hurricane Katrina recovery effort.

One flashpoint came over the weekend, when Blanco said she rebuffed an attempt by the White House to seize control of the mounting military presence in Louisiana, including thousands of state National Guard forces under her authority. Then Bush made an unusual return visit to the state Monday, just days after surveying the damage - a trip that members of Blanco's staff said caught them by surprise and caused a certain level of consternation.

"We had no idea the president was coming," said Blanco's communications director, Robert Mann, adding that the governor was forced to cancel a trip to visit evacuees in Houston so she could meet with Bush.

The high-level tug-of-war came as recriminations mounted over the pace of the response to the devastation, particularly in the New Orleans area, where survivors were still being rescued Monday from floodwaters a week after the storm hit land.

In the face of fierce criticism, the White House launched a public relations counteroffensive over the weekend to deflect blame, some of which bounced to state and local officials. The effort, The New York Times reported, was being orchestrated by Bush's political director, Karl Rove, and communications director, Dan Bartlett.

In an interview Monday, Bartlett said there was no coordinated strategy to shift blame to Louisiana officials.

"Quite the contrary," he said. "There was a spirit of cooperation in the room today" when Bush and Blanco met.

In the game of political maneuvering for control between Blanco, a Democrat, and Bush, a Republican, the biggest chess pieces are the 13,268 National Guard troops from 29 states under the governor's command - with another 7,845 on the way - and the 7,000 active-duty troops who began arriving Monday under command of the regular Army and the president.

On Monday, two parallel command structures were in place. Major Gen. Bennett Landreneau, head of the Louisiana National Guard, had control of all of the guard forces massed in the state. U.S. Army Lt. Gen. Russel Honore was in charge of the active-duty forces, including soldiers from the 82nd Airborne division and the 1st Calvary.

Blanco said that when the plain-spoken, cigar-chomping Honore showed up in New Orleans late last week, she thought that her worries about a lack of federal troops and resource were over. Honore quickly became a media darling and the take-charge face of the federal government in New Orleans, barking out orders to surprised National Guards members who aren't even under his control.

Blanco said she liked Honore's style, but was surprised that he arrived with only a few aides in tow.

"He didn't bring any resources," Blanco said. "I just kind of expected, based on my conversations with the White House, that we could be getting a surge of equipment, and we did not."

Friday night, the White House moved to take charge of all the troops in Louisiana. At home, Blanco received a memorandum of understanding from the White House asking her to cede control of the National Guard. According to her staff, Blanco was asked to sign and return the document right away. Blanco consulted with her legal counsel, Terry Ryder, and then refused the request.

"They wanted to take over my National Guard," Blanco said in an interview. "A governor has to have the final say on what's going to happen."

Bartlett said the request was made for efficiency's sake to streamline the chain of command and improve the efficiency of the recovery. He dismissed suggestions that it was done because Blanco is a Democrat.

"We were in the same discussions with (Republican Mississippi Gov.) Haley Barbour," Bartlett said. "This was not about politics."
In what some saw as a not-so-subtle snub, Blanco over the weekend hired a former Clinton administration disaster response chief, James Lee Witt, as an adviser.

The parallel command structure in Louisiana isn't without precedent. After Hurricane Andrew in 1992, federal troops dispatched to Florida to help in the relief and recovery effort were kept under federal control. The governor, meanwhile, retained authority over the National Guard forces. The only major glitch, according to an official from the Florida National Guard, was when the 82nd Airborne Division from Ft. Bragg, N.C., showed up with weapons. Under federal law, only state forces have policing authority, so the weapons were sent back to the base and the soldiers were given humanitarian and relief duties.

When it comes to domestic security, state forces generally take the lead. At a G-8 summit last year in Georgia, state authorities were given control over federal forces, according to John Goheen, a spokesman for the National Guard.

"The reason is that Guard commanders generally have a better working relationship with local authorities," Goheen said. "Guard forces can also perform law enforcement functions. That mission was seen as a harbinger of the future."

Despite the dust-up between Blanco and Bush over command of the boots on the ground, top military commanders at both the state and federal level said they were satisfied with the separate forces.

Landreneau called the military command "very integrated" and said there was no advantage to putting all troops under his control. Adm. Timothy Keating, commander of active-duty forces in North America, agreed. "From our perspective," he said Monday, "it would not have provided an advantage over the current situation."

Brig. Gen. Mike Fleming of the Florida National Guard, who oversaw rescue and recovery efforts through four hurricanes last year, has been called into Louisiana as an adviser. Fleming said the twin command is workable if adequately coordinated. He said some important personal ties bind the separate state and federal military commands: Honore, known as the Ragin' Cajun, is a Louisiana native and has known Landreneau for years. Honore's son serves in Iraq for the Louisiana National Guard, which is under Landreneau's command.

While the military chiefs may have been in step, the political leaders clearly weren't.

Early Monday morning, Blanco was in Baton Rouge preparing to fly to Houston to meet with thousands of Louisiana refugees when she received news that Bush was on his way. Blanco Chief of Staff Andy Kopplin called the White House and got word from Bush Chief of Staff Andrew Card that the president was planning to return to Louisiana in a few hours to follow up on his Friday visit.

The White House notified the media Sunday about the trip. But Blanco aide Bob Mann said Blanco was assured Sunday by the Federal Emergency Management Agency that Bush was not coming. FEMA spokeswoman Nicol Andrews said agency Director Michael Brown knew about the Bush visit but that many lower-level officials didn't, and that was probably why the Blanco administration wasn't notified.

Bartlett said "there was outreach" to the governor's office, "e-mails sent, messages left."

"We apologize if there was any confusion," he said. A Bush visit to Louisiana at a time when Blanco was out of the state would have been a major embarrassment for the governor. It could also have sent the message that Bush, who has been criticized for not moving quickly enough to help Louisiana, was in charge on the ground.

Blanco abruptly canceled the trip to Houston. Bush downplayed suggestions of a state-federal spat.

During a visit to the Bethany World Church in Baton Rouge, which was doubling a shelter for evacuees, Bush said, "Laura and I have come back down to Louisiana ... to let the good people of this region know there's a lot of work to be done, and we're going to continue working with the local and state people to get it done."
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Old 09-06-2005, 01:29 PM
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God Destroyed the City
ACT OF GOD DESTROYS NEW ORLEANS
DAYS BEFORE "SOUTHERN DECADENCE"

PHILADELPHIA, PA. September 1 /Covenant News Wire Service/ -- Just days before “Southern Decadence”, an annual homosexual celebration attracting tens of thousands of people to the French Quarters section of New Orleans, an act of God destroys the city.

“Southern Decadence” has a history of filling the French Quarters section of the city with drunken homosexuals engaging in sex acts in the public streets and bars. Last year, a local pastor sent video footage of sex acts being performed in front of police to the mayor, city council, and the media. City officials simply ignored the footage and continued to welcome and praise the weeklong celebration as being an “exciting event”. However, Hurricane Katrina has put an end to the annual celebration of sin.

On the official “Southern Decadence” website (www.SouthernDecadence.com), it states that the annual event brought in “125,000 revelers” to New Orleans last year, increasing by thousands each year, and up from “over 50,000 revelers” in 1997. This year’s 34th annual “Southern Decadence” was set for Wednesday, August 31, 2005 through Monday, September 5, 2005, but due to massive flooding and the damage left by the hurricane, Louisiana Governor Kathleen Blanco has ordered everyone to evacuate the city.

The past three mayors of New Orleans, including Sidney Barthelomew, Marc H. Morial, and C. Ray Nagin, issued official proclamations welcoming visitors to “Southern Decadence”. Additionally, New Orleans City Council made other proclamations recognizing the annual homosexual celebration.

“Although the loss of lives is deeply saddening, this act of God destroyed a wicked city,” stated Repent America director Michael Marcavage. “From ‘Girls Gone Wild’ to ‘Southern Decadence’, New Orleans was a city that opened its doors wide open to the public celebration of sin. May it never be the same,” he continued.

New Orleans is also known for its Mardi Gras parties where thousands of drunken men revel in the streets to exchange plastic jewelry for drunken women to expose their breasts. This annual event sparked the creation of the “Girls Gone Wild” video series.

“Let us pray for those ravaged by this disaster. However, we must not forget that the citizens of New Orleans tolerated and welcomed the wickedness in their city for so long,” Marcavage said. “May this act of God cause us all to think about what we tolerate in our city limits, and bring us trembling before the throne of Almighty God,” Marcavage concluded.

“[God] sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust”. (Matthew 5:45)


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P.O. Box 30000
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1-800-3-REPENT
Email: [email protected]
Website: www.repentamerica.com

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^^ Someone posted a link to that in another thread a few days ago. It may have been the day after it hit. I was so disgusted. They didn't waste any time, did they?

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^^ Someone posted a link to that in another thread a few days ago. It may have been the day after it hit. I was so disgusted. They didn't waste any time, did they?

The fundies are already blaming this on man-on-horse sex, fags, and the stuff going on in Israel. It's amazing.
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The fundies are already blaming this on man-on-horse sex, fags, and the stuff going on in Israel. It's amazing.
Yes, the Repent America Website is disturbing, these people are nucking futs!

http://www.repentamerica.com/index.p...5%3A59+PM&on=1
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Just days before “Southern Decadence”, an annual homosexual celebration attracting tens of thousands of people to the French Quarters section of New Orleans, an act of God destroys the city.

Hmm.. interesting. If I'm correct, the French Quarter of New Orleans was left in pretty good shape. I was watching the news earlier, and they even showed a bar opened in the French Quarter serving warm drinks.. no ice.

So, according to America Repent, God destroyed the city of New Orleans but didn't flood the French Quarter, where the 'Southern Decadence' takes place.
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Uh oh the Folsom Street fair is coming up in a coupleof weeks .I guess we'll be next on God's hit list.Time for the Big One.
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Just days before “Southern Decadence”, an annual homosexual celebration attracting tens of thousands of people to the French Quarters section of New Orleans, an act of God destroys the city.

Hmm.. interesting. If I'm correct, the French Quarter of New Orleans was left in pretty good shape. I was watching the news earlier, and they even showed a bar opened in the French Quarter serving warm drinks.. no ice.

So, according to America Repent, God destroyed the city of New Orleans but didn't flood the French Quarter, where the 'Southern Decadence' takes place.
Plus, the gays weren't there yet so they all survived! That shoots many holes in that theory, don't ya think? Oh it doesn't merit being debated, its stupid ignorant baloney.

I'm listening to Randi's replay on bostonsprogressivetalk.com right now. She's talking about how they were locked in to die.
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I won't be popular for saying so, but I don't think there should be a Southern Decadence thing. Celebrating, fine, but doing sexual things out in public (no matter WHAT your sexual preference) is disgusting.

God didn't cause this tragedy, He was there with the people...comforting, helping babies survive, giving people strength and courage. God gives us free will, and He's always there in the midst of chaos.

That's my belief and I'm stickin' to it.
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Yes, the Repent America Website is disturbing, these people are nucking futs!

http://www.repentamerica.com/index.p...5%3A59+PM&on=1
These people really drink form the same idealogical toilet as the Islamic extremist .They are the only two groups I'm aware of that are celebrating this catastrophy.Al Quieda and Bush's constituents the religious right.
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http://media.vmsnews.com/MonitoringR...40/H000361890/

From the mouth of Rick Santorum:

"I mean, you have people who don't heed those warnings and then put people at risk as a result of not heeding those warnings. There may be a need to look at tougher penalties on those who decide to ride it out and understand that there are consequences to not leaving."
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From the mouth of Rick Santorum:

"I mean, you have people who don't heed those warnings and then put people at risk as a result of not heeding those warnings. There may be a need to look at tougher penalties on those who decide to ride it out and understand that there are consequences to not leaving."

Consequences for not leaving?! Uh, I think there's been enough "consequences".
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