Katrina - Page 45

dissention · #**661** 09-02-2005, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by amber

well, they have suffered through about half those things...

anyway - I see your point but I still can't excuse it at this time. Just like I can't excuse the people who are perpetrating violence and rape and the theft of non essential items.
We disagree, I guess, but I don't want to argue about it any more.

No one is trying to excuse any of it, people are only being empathetic and stating that while it's terrible behavior, it's understandable given what they've been through. I don't excuse it, but I'm also not going to condemn these people who aren't in the best frame of mind. I don't think anyone should pass judgement on them, considering that none of us are in that horrific situation.

gldstwmn · #**662** 09-02-2005, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by amber

Ah, yes. of course. I know they're in shock - again - I hope they're controlled and given what they need quickly, because I still can't find that behavior excusable.

Mentally, they are not themselves at this point. They have seen things no human being should ever see. Think about the children. This is going to take some time. Shock, as a medical term, is not something you just snap out of.

amber · #**663** 09-02-2005, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by gldstwmn

Mentally, they are not themselves at this point. They have seen things no human being should ever see. Think about the childred. This is going to take some time. Shock, as a medical term, is not something you just snap out of.

Shock is also not something that necessarily makes people violent.

I"m sure some of the people who are in shock aren't trying to perpetrate violence on those bringing aid. Pity for those people.

estranged4life · #**664** 09-02-2005, 02:33 PM

the "O'Really Factor", Mr.O said the following (Not his exact words, But I think ya get the picture):

"The people 'who have' took heed and left New Orleans at first warning...The 'have not's' didnt take warning because they did not know where to go or what to do, Most didnt not have a way to leave or the finances to do so....It is now the survival of the fittest."

SuzeQuze · #**665** 09-02-2005, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by estranged4life

the "O'Really Factor", Mr.O said the following (Not his exact words, But I think ya get the picture):

"The people 'who have' took heed and left New Orleans at first warning...The 'have not's' didnt take warning because they did not know where to go or what to do, Most didnt not have a way to leave or the finances to do so....It is now the survival of the fitest."

He left right wing world for a little while last nite. He also called for the oil companies to drop their profits by about 20% since they are enjoying record profits, up 101% since last year!

amber · #**666** 09-02-2005, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention

No one is trying to excuse any of it, people are only being empathetic and stating that while it's terrible behavior, it's understandable given what they've been through. I don't excuse it, but I'm also not going to condemn these people who aren't in the best frame of mind. I don't think anyone should pass judgement on them, considering that none of us are in that horrific situation.

Okay, sure, don't judge them if you don't want to.
But I hope the people in charge of the situation, or who are trying to give aid and bring some kind of order, do judge those people, and get them the hell out of the way of the people who are not being disruptive, and try to get them what they need to calm the f*** down and find some peace.

estranged4life · #**667** 09-02-2005, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SuzeQuze

He left right wing world for a little while last nite. He also called for the oil companies to drop their profits by about 20% since they are enjoying record profits, up 101% since last year!

and agreed with him about the 20%....But does "anyone with an IQ over 15" gonna believe the oil companies will do that? I don't!!!

amber · #**668** 09-02-2005, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SuzeQuze

He left right wing world for a little while last nite. He also called for the oil companies to drop their profits by about 20% since they are enjoying record profits, up 101% since last year!

I didn't know that. That's disgraceful. (the huge profit margin/improvement).
Man, if O' Reilly says something like that....

SuzeQuze · #**669** 09-02-2005, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by amber

Okay, sure, don't judge them if you don't want to.
But I hope the people in charge of the situation, or who are trying to give aid and bring some kind of order, do judge those people, and get them the hell out of the way of the people who are not being disruptive, and try to get them what they need to calm the f*** down and find some peace.

We also never said not to take any action to quiet them or whatnot. Just don't be so harsh in your judgement of them! Of course if they are going to cause harm to themselves or others then they need to be subdued.

SuzeQuze · #**670** 09-02-2005, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by amber

I didn't know that. That's disgraceful. (the huge profit margin/improvement).
Man, if O' Reilly says something like that....

No kidding, can you believe he said that? And, the oil companies have billions in surplus they do not know what to do with. The response to O'Reilley by an oil co. big wig was that they can't do that because the "free market" will straighten it out or some nonsense.

dissention · #**671** 09-02-2005, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by amber

Okay, sure, don't judge them if you don't want to.

Not to worry, I won't.

estranged4life · #**672** 09-02-2005, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by GypsySorcerer

Big Oil Spill Spotted Near Tanks on Miss.

NEW ORLEANS - A huge oil spill was spotted near two storage tanks on the Mississippi River downstream from New Orleans, state officials said Friday.

Faux News just showed smoke in the horizon of New Orleans as an oil refinery/tank battery that is burning.

gldstwmn · #**673** 09-02-2005, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by amber

Shock is also not something that necessarily makes people violent.

I beg to differ. The reactions run the entire range of human emotions.

estranged4life · #**674** 09-02-2005, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by SuzeQuze

The response to O'Reilley by an oil co. big wig was that they can't do that because the "free market" will straighten it out or some nonsense.

responded back that he doesnt believe it the "free market" excuse...He said "the US oil companies have an obligation to put what's best for the country ahead of their profits".

Think they'll listen? No...Ya can just imagine how happy these oil barons are at this moment with their "free market".

amber · #**675** 09-02-2005, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SuzeQuze

We also never said not to take any action to quiet them or whatnot. Just don't be so harsh in your judgement of them! Of course if they are going to cause harm to themselves or others then they need to be subdued.

Actually, Suze, I can think/judge whatever I want. They are already causing harm to others.
So, you do want action taken. That's good. I guess we agree.

Which means that right now this is essentially a discussion of what I think, in my own mind - and how you think what I think is too harsh of a judgement??

You....did just tell me that I shouldn't think a certain way, right? When you...told me..."not to be so harsh in my judgement"?
okay, I'm done with this avenue of the convo, then. I think we all understand each other well enough on this subject.