a tragedy.... - Page 2

Macfanforever · #16 08-21-2005, 08:48 PM

Hey Grayson. If you don't mind having used ones, I forgot to mention earlier, check the fleamarkets and used record shops. it's cheaper then Walmart.
but I know Stevie won't make a penny off it.

SillyDreamer · #17 08-21-2005, 11:38 PM

I actually found most of my stevie collection on amazon.com used. It's less hassle than bidding on eBay, and shipping is a flat $2.50 which beats the pants off the highway robbery most ebay sellers are asking. I was able to get pretty much all of Stevie's solo career in this way for around $30. Hope this helps.

LiquidBlue5000 · #18 08-22-2005, 02:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Nixxxed

But you said in the other thread that you have no problem with people selling bootlegs... Confused...

bootleg recordings are not copyrighted material.. record companies don't give a crap about bootlegs.. they DO however care about file-sharing COPYRIGHTED MATERIAL which prevents them from making additional sales... there is a BIG difference between a bootlegger selling his bootlegs vs. a person sharing or selling officially released material.... if record companies honestly cared about bootlegs, don't you think Bill for example, would have been arrested and in jail by now? ... there is a huge line between the two.. and i stand firmly behind both my points on this issue..

ryan8472 · #19 08-22-2005, 06:08 AM

Grayson, check yer PM's.

paleshadow · #20 08-22-2005, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by GypsyBoy87

My "great luck" keeps suprising me, basically, i was at the mall yesturday, doing some back to school shopping, and i forgot to lock my car, i realised this when i came back to it, my first thought was. THINK GOD THE CAR IS STILL HERE!, but after i got in and was relaxed, i descited i wanted a lil Rock A Little , i reach to the passenger seat for my CD's, and...well there not there, and i have come realise that they were STOLEN! within that CD case there was EVERYONE of my stevie solo CD's Bella Donna - Street angel, Troubel in shangri-la was at home, along with the enchanted box set, and most of my fleetwood stuff, i am still very very very very upset about this, my main reason for posting this on here, is i was thinking, maybe some of my fellow ledgies could maybe give me some support right now, i cant go much longer without hearing some of my stevie songs, THANK GOD FOR ENCHANTED! i can still here all the songs on that, but i need my songs back...could you guys maybe send me some if that is possible? just PM me if you could help, anything would be apprectated, i have some stuff on my computer i could trade with if you like, you could also email me at [email protected], and lets just say that i will DEFF owe ANYONE who helps me out in this depressing time thanks for anything, and i hope whoever out there has my CD's is treating them with love and respect just like i did....

, why did this have to happen to me!!! ughhh....im gona try and relax a lil, thanks again for anything! - Grayson

Hey Grayson. Sorry to hear about your cd's being stolen. At a SYW show last year I had cd's and some other stuff stolen out of my car. Nothing irreplaceable though. You are a better person than I am though hoping that the person who stole them is treating them with love and respect. I hope the person who broke into my car gets an STD.

If you have renters or home owners insurance you can file a claim. Auto insurance won't cover anything stolen out of your car though. Another thing you can do to replace some of these songs/CD's would be to check your local library for them, and then copy them that way. The way I see it, if you already paid for these CD's and they were really stolen, you've already paid for them, so even though technically it is illegal for someone to copy them for you, you already gave your two bits to the record company and artist the first time you purchased them. Anyway, sorry again. Good luck.

DavidMn · #21 08-22-2005, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by LiquidBlue5000

bootleg recordings are not copyrighted material.. record companies don't give a crap about bootlegs.. they DO however care about file-sharing COPYRIGHTED MATERIAL which prevents them from making additional sales... there is a BIG difference between a bootlegger selling his bootlegs vs. a person sharing or selling officially released material.... if record companies honestly cared about bootlegs, don't you think Bill for example, would have been arrested and in jail by now? ... there is a huge line between the two.. and i stand firmly behind both my points on this issue..

You know, I like your conviction on this one. If there's one thing I cant stand, it's a puss that cant make up their mind.

DavidMn · #22 08-22-2005, 09:55 AM

I am really careful with the stuff I have. I never leave my car unlocked, but at the same time, we can all make mistakes, believe me, I've made some, especially my last boyfriend, but we wont go there........

dissention · #23 08-22-2005, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by DavidMn

You know, I like your conviction on this one. If there's one thing I cant stand, it's a puss that cant make up their mind.

Even though it's just as illegal to sell and profit from bootlegs as it is to download and give away commercially released material.

amber · #24 08-22-2005, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by dissention

Even though it's just as illegal to sell and profit from bootlegs as it is to download and give away commercially released material.

Yes, that's true. It's quite illegal.

That's the downside.
On the upside, bootleggers aren't really cutting into the band's profit.

trackaghost · #25 08-22-2005, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by LiquidBlue5000

bootleg recordings are not copyrighted material.. record companies don't give a crap about bootlegs..

If record companies don't care about bootlegs, why did the BPI (the British Phonographic Industry) have a big crack down on them about five years ago? I can't imagine the US is much different.

Bootlegs are illegal, even though I love em. People shouldn't be in denial about that fact.
It's not illegal to own them however, BUT it is illegal to sell them. Just because a person recorded a show does not give them copyright on the material.

trackaghost · #26 08-22-2005, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by amber

Yes, that's true. It's quite illegal.

That's the downside.
On the upside, bootleggers aren't really cutting into the band's profit.

That's right. That's why I don't feel guilty about owning bootlegs

LiquidBlue5000 · #27 08-22-2005, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by amber

Yes, that's true. It's quite illegal.

That's the downside.
On the upside, bootleggers aren't really cutting into the band's profit.

Thank You. Not only that, but bootlegs can only further promote an artist and the record companies realize that.. perfect example: I uploaded some mp3's from the Philly show back in June.. a fellow ledgie had downloaded some of the tracks and loved them.. then made the following statement: "I wasn't going to see any of the Stevie/Don shows before i heard these tracks, but i am now"...

Now, i'm not saying that i am single-handedly responsible for getting more fans interested in seeing her shows this year because i bootlegged that show, but i DID get this particular person interested in going.. and who knows how many others..

DavidMn · #28 08-22-2005, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by LiquidBlue5000

Thank You. Not only that, but bootlegs can only further promote an artist and the record companies realize that.. perfect example: I uploaded some mp3's from the Philly show back in June.. a fellow ledgie had downloaded some of the tracks and loved them.. then made the following statement: "I wasn't going to see any of the Stevie/Don shows before i heard these tracks, but i am now"...

Now, i'm not saying that i am single-handedly responsible for getting more fans interested in seeing her shows this year because i bootlegged that show, but i DID get this particular person interested in going.. and who knows how many others..

Thats an excellent point. thank you for sharing it

Nixxxed · #29 08-22-2005, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by LiquidBlue5000

bootleg recordings are not copyrighted material..

But aren't they a recording of a performance of copyrighted material? And, I would think the performance itself is copyrighted in some way, or else anyone could sell their own recordings openly.

How do you feel about bootleg copies of movies that are taped in the theater on opening day, and DVDs of them sold on street corners the next? I don't see much, if any, difference.

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Originally Posted by LiquidBlue5000

if record companies honestly cared about bootlegs, don't you think Bill for example, would have been arrested and in jail by now?

Just because he hasn't been, doesn't mean he won't be. He could be under surveillance right now, and could have been under surveillance for years as they build a long-term airtight case against him. We have no way of knowing, which is why I asked Daniel about his advertisements in the other thread.

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Originally Posted by LiquidBlue5000

... there is a huge line between the two.. and i stand firmly behind both my points on this issue..

Kewl. I'm not trying to change your mind. Just friendly debate. We're on 3 pages now, and no one's called someone else a nasty name. Maybe things are looking up for The Ledge.

amber · #30 08-22-2005, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by LiquidBlue5000

Thank You. Not only that, but bootlegs can only further promote an artist and the record companies realize that.. perfect example: I uploaded some mp3's from the Philly show back in June.. a fellow ledgie had downloaded some of the tracks and loved them.. then made the following statement: "I wasn't going to see any of the Stevie/Don shows before i heard these tracks, but i am now"...

Now, i'm not saying that i am single-handedly responsible for getting more fans interested in seeing her shows this year because i bootlegged that show, but i DID get this particular person interested in going.. and who knows how many others..

Ha, no need to thank me, it's still super illegal. I'm not really debating with you, only saying it's way illegal, just so you know for sure.
I'm not really very opinionated on this subject right now.

I'm just sorry the band is too whatever to sell the shows themselves. Cause they should.