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irishgrl · #**166** 07-28-2005, 08:12 PM

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I think it ties into how the Democrats see everything. To them, everything is a number, a poll, and a game plan. They're aren't people, they're potential votes and they wholeheartedly believe that if they put a certain focus group together and get good marks, then that's the strategy they should employ across the country. Thinking isn't something that enters into the equation, at least from what I've seen.

or: maybe they're afraid they overlooked an important demographic group?

Historically the Democratic party REPRESENTED the minorities! if the Evangelicals are a minority, then they fit the bill! Unfortunately, I dont believe they "fit" with the Democratic Liberal ethic....

dissention · #**167** 07-28-2005, 08:13 PM

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Diss, Obama isnt on the radar that I can see?

I think you can calm down about him......

The Dems had him give the keynote address at the DNC! They're prepping that little boy for higher office, believe you me.

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I dont believe the Clintons "run" the Democratic party either, although I DO believe they have the charisma of President and Jackie Kennedy....actually the Democratic party is lucky to have them as they are SUCH a thorn in the GOP side (which makes me exceedingly happy I can tell you!)

Oh gawd, don't compare them to Jackie and John, Mary.

irishgrl · #**168** 07-28-2005, 08:13 PM

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I don't think he was differentiating his beliefs at all. It was an attempt to say to the evangelicals, "Hey! I'm like you!" Same thing when he showed up in hunting gear in West Virginia.

but thats exactly what it is! he is saying "hey, Im like you, I personally dont believe in such and such, but as the President, I must put my personal beliefs aside"

as for the "hunting gear in West Virginia", I recall Clinton making BIG points by stopping into a fast food joint during a jog (McDonalds wasnt it?) Those little personal touches matter to some people. In Kerry's case, It seemed staged, I'll agree with you, but Clinton actually has a fondness for fast food and it was so natural that people warmed to him (that's the "everyman" appeal Im talking about that he has)

irishgrl · #**169** 07-28-2005, 08:15 PM

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Oh gawd, don't compare them to Jackie and John, Mary.

Hey I said the CHARISMA, not the ideals!

GypsySorcerer · #**170** 07-28-2005, 08:15 PM

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but thats exactly what it is! he is saying "hey, Im like you, I personally dont believe in such and such, but as the President, I must put my personal beliefs aside"

Except they don't want him to put his personal beliefs aside. That's why it didn't work.

dissention · #**171** 07-28-2005, 08:16 PM

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Ok, here's why I dont have a problem with him saying that. He is differentiating between his PERSONAL beliefs as a Catholic, and the fact that as the PRESIDENT, he will abide by the law of the land. Its the same concept as we expect our Judges (particulary Supreme Court Judges) to adhere to....so, I dont have a problem with his statement.

Fech, he was doing it in a sleazy manner. He was pandering to the fundies, while leaving just enough room for him to get enough slack given to him by his base. I know, I gave him some. How stupid I was. It was cheap and showed how incompetent he was and what a loser strategy it was.

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thanks for the clarification btw, it wasnt clear upon first reading

You're welcome.

dissention · #**172** 07-28-2005, 08:18 PM

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Same thing when he showed up in hunting gear in West Virginia.

Oh...my.

My mother had heart surgery the day that story was all over the news and I sat in the waiting room with my jaw on the floor. The numbnut tried to show how manly he was by shooting dear...and then having his staff pick up the carcass behind him and hold his guns for him. That was as bad as his visit to NASA, Krista.

irishgrl · #**173** 07-28-2005, 08:19 PM

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Except they don't want him to put his personal beliefs aside. That's why it didn't work.

well, I'd want a Supreme Court Judge to put HIS personal beliefs aside when it comes to ABORTION.....and preserve precedent!

back atcha!

seeker007nmss · #**174** 07-28-2005, 08:20 PM

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That's not my dream at all.

I was wondering about that!

GypsySorcerer · #**175** 07-28-2005, 08:22 PM

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well, I'd want a Supreme Court Judge to put HIS personal beliefs aside when it comes to ABORTION.....and preserve precedent!

back atcha!

Well, I would too. But ask your average fundamentalist if they do. That was my point about Kerry.

irishgrl · #**176** 07-28-2005, 08:22 PM

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That was as bad as his visit to NASA, Krista.

well its not as bad as wearing a flight suit on an aircraft carrier when you've never flown a jet

GypsySorcerer · #**177** 07-28-2005, 08:23 PM

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Oh...my.

My mother had heart surgery the day that story was all over the news and I sat in the waiting room with my jaw on the floor. The numbnut tried to show how manly he was by shooting dear...and then having his staff pick up the carcass behind him and hold his guns for him. That was as bad as his visit to NASA, Krista.

I was working at the journalism institute at school last year, and of couse, we covered it pretty heavily. I totally wasn't excpecting him to do that. He ran a bizarre campaign, to say the least.

dissention · #**178** 07-28-2005, 08:26 PM

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well its not as bad as wearing a flight suit on an aircraft carrier when you've never flown a jet

Almost...almost.

All those stupid things are just photo-ops and it just shows how stupid our society is when we need photo-ops like jet flying and dear murdering to help us decide who to vote for. I don't give a **** who I'd rather have a beer with, I don't ****ing drink. It's all so...stupid.

irishgrl · #**179** 07-28-2005, 08:26 PM

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Well, I would too. But ask your average fundamentalist if they do. That was my point about Kerry.

But Kerry never claimed to be an "average fundamentalist" to MY knowledge

??? Maybe he's in the wrong party???

dissention · #**180** 07-28-2005, 08:27 PM

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I was working at the journalism institute at school last year, and of couse, we covered it pretty heavily. I totally wasn't excpecting him to do that. He ran a bizarre campaign, to say the least.

He looked like one of the giant condoms from Woody Allen's Everything You Ever Wanted To Know About Sex when he went to NASA.