Survivor: Members of Fleetwood Mac - ROUND 6 - Page 20

GateandGarden · #**286** 07-09-2005, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by dreamongypsydkm

I chose Lindsey too for reasons I mentioned at the time, but I still have to defend Stevie.
I highly doubt the people here are voting because they're attracted to chiffon. It's more than that. It's the person, the lyrics, and the melody. As it is with you and Lindsey. I've never bought into rivalry. I like The Who and Zeppelin. I like The Stones and The Beatles. I can appreciate both options (even though I obviously prefer Zep and Beatles to the others). Let's not turn this into insults.
You know how happy Lindsey makes you? There are a lot of people on this board who love Stevie in that same way. Like I love Bono. When someone says they hate him or U2 I get so mad and sad I could cry. What if someone had posted something this insulting about you as a Lindsey fan and about Lindsey? You'd be hurt and we both know it. I'm just saying don't just assume the Stevie fans only enjoy scarves and boots, cause it's about a lot more than that.

Thanks for saying that.

I think both Lindsey and Stevie have written some incredible lyrics.

I don't know why Lux has to dismiss her as a songwriter. (Not to mention I don't really understand why Stevie and Lindsey have to be pitted against each other). I love Stevie for the voice and lyrics--the looks and clothes alone are definitely not enough to keep me coming back. In fact if it were just those, I wouldn't have really been a fan to begin with.

Serrart · #**287** 07-09-2005, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by David

It's unfair & inaccurate of you to make the Fleetwood Mac situation a zero sum game: either you're emotionally moving millions of people or you're nothing but a technician. Sometimes you're doing both & sometimes you're doing neither. The greatest of artists join feats of technique with that emotional strength that you find in Jean Renoir ("The Rules of the Game," "A Day in the Country"). In such artists, form & content truly become insoluble.

What about Woody Allen?

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Originally Posted by David

Furthermore, some of the greatest "emotional" artists never became widely known, let alone loved, until decades after their death -- if at all.

The greatest emotional artists... you mean for you right?

Finally, as regards my "Sound of Mucus" ... er "Music" mention, it's always been true that much of what appeals to people's emotions can be superficial, tearjerky, mawkish, trite, banal, sentimental, etc. Moving thousands or even millions of people can't in & of itself be considered an aesthetic virtue. The work still has to stand by itself & be judged in at least somewhat formalistic terms.[/QUOTE]

That's what critics said of Douglas Sirk's movies.
Besides after TV invention (as Sirk remarked too in one of his best movies

) aesthetic virtue of a work of art is a quite volatile and ductile subject.

Romy

Serrart · #**288** 07-09-2005, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by dreamongypsydkm

I chose Lindsey too for reasons I mentioned at the time, but I still have to defend Stevie.
I highly doubt the people here are voting because they're attracted to chiffon. It's more than that. It's the person, the lyrics, and the melody. As it is with you and Lindsey. I've never bought into rivalry. I like The Who and Zeppelin. I like The Stones and The Beatles. I can appreciate both options (even though I obviously prefer Zep and Beatles to the others). Let's not turn this into insults.
You know how happy Lindsey makes you? There are a lot of people on this board who love Stevie in that same way. Like I love Bono. When someone says they hate him or U2 I get so mad and sad I could cry. What if someone had posted something this insulting about you as a Lindsey fan and about Lindsey? You'd be hurt and we both know it. I'm just saying don't just assume the Stevie fans only enjoy scarves and boots, cause it's about a lot more than that.

Thanks for your post

. Even if I think Lux was half (only half) kidding.

Romy

Edit: I've just read Lux's post. Glad she said so.

shackin'up · #**289** 07-09-2005, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

Ah, but you automatically assumed that by "success," I was speaking of fame and fortune.
I feel touching the lives of massive audiences with a very unconventional voice, abstruse lyrics and only limited musical ability is a true success.

Anyone can appeal to the ears with bells, whistles and other technical wizardry... I'm more impressed by someone who can appeal to the heart. And the hearts of hundreds of thousands, at that.
That's what this cultured gentleman calls a "success"... music-theory elitists and self-appointed intelligentsia be damned.

Well. I'm sorry dude. I've never read such a bunch of crap in my life. Success is not to be explained. You meant " success" And Lindsey's lack of it. I wish you all the best in your own world. But I know better. And if you don't hear "heart" in go insane, for instance, (bells whistles and other technical wizardry" you simple haven't listened to all those voicetracks he built up and sang from his guts. I'm sorry but Stevie did not do a vocal performance last tour like Lindsey did during "Come" or " SaY goodbye" or "NGBA". Only Beautiful Child came equally close.

dreamongypsydkm · #**290** 07-09-2005, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Lux

No need to get huffy. I was kidding, I thought my response to the trivia question made that pretty obvious.

No, I know that. But I dunno, I guess I was feeling compassonate. If anyone said such things about my Bono I'd cry, even if only meant in jest.

GODDESS6 · #**291** 07-09-2005, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Lux

Compassion? Don't be absurd. Kick 'em in the crotch and take 'em down. Just look at it from the perspective that Lindsey's suffered enough getting tangled in the chiffon. It's up to us, the Greenpeace of the scenario to come and set him free to achieve his potential. I still feel high.

i think lindsey enjoyed being tangled in the chiffon!!!

~

dreamongypsydkm · #**292** 07-09-2005, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Lux

Compassion? Don't be absurd. Kick 'em in the crotch and take 'em down. Just look at it from the perspective that Lindsey's suffered enough getting tangled in the chiffon. It's up to us, the Greenpeace of the scenario to come and set him free to achieve his potential. I still feel high.

Clearly. You're equating voting for Lindsey and Greenpeace.

I thought you liked that Lindsey wasn't mainstream. It makes him special.
If he loses to Stevie - f uck the chiffonheads even more, right?
I don't want him to win anymore. He's far too serious an artist to be arsed with these kinds of games.

Serrart · #**293** 07-09-2005, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Lux

Compassion? Don't be absurd. Kick 'em in the crotch and take 'em down. Just look at it from the perspective that Lindsey's suffered enough getting tangled in the chiffon. It's up to us, the Greenpeace of the scenario to come and set him free to achieve his potential. I still feel high.

You're talking of the man who made Stevie wear the cardigan for all the SYW tour....

Romy

GateandGarden · #**294** 07-09-2005, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by dreamongypsydkm

I thought you liked that Lindsey wasn't mainstream. It makes him special.

Yeah.

I think that's part of what makes Christine special, too.

Anyway, am I the only one who thinks it would be cool if Peter Green won not just because he is the founder of the band but also because he'd be pissed about it?

GODDESS6 · #**295** 07-09-2005, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by GateandGarden

Yeah.

I think that's part of what makes Christine special, too.

Anyway, am I the only one who thinks it would be cool if Peter Green won not just because he is the founder of the band but also because he'd be pissed about it?

nope i totally agree w/ you on peter~

trackaghost · #**296** 07-09-2005, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by GateandGarden

Yeah.

I think that's part of what makes Christine special, too.

Anyway, am I the only one who thinks it would be cool if Peter Green won not just because he is the founder of the band but also because he'd be pissed about it?

I actually think both Lindsey and Christine are incredibly mainstream. And that's not a criticism. Have you read that book that came out last year about the making of Rumours by Cath Carroll? It details how many different things came together to help make it, at that time, the biggest selling album of all time. It didn't simply sell because it's a great record, although that obviously helped. It sold because all the other factors fell into place, helping it break big.

I'm pretty sure a lot of similar factors helped Stevie become a solo superstar while Lindsey didn't, but it easily could have been the other way round. There's not one Lindsey solo album, that doesn't contain a pure pop song that could have, if the circumstances been right, been a number one single. And Christine has never been shy of embracing her love of pop music either.

And secondly, I totally agree with you about Peter!

GateandGarden · #**297** 07-09-2005, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by trackaghost

I actually think both Lindsey and Christine are incredibly mainstream. And that's not a criticism. Have you read that book that came out last year about the making of Rumours by Cath Carroll? It details how many different things came together to help make it, at that time, the biggest selling album of all time. It didn't simply sell because it's a great record, although that obviously helped. It sold because all the other factors fell into place, helping it break big.

I'm pretty sure a lot of similar factors helped Stevie become a solo superstar while Lindsey didn't, but it easily could have been the other way round. There's not one Lindsey solo album, that doesn't contain a pure pop song that could have, if the circumstances been right, been a number one single. And Christine has never been shy of embracing her love of pop music either.

And secondly, I totally agree with you about Peter!

I haven't read the book but I have to agree with everything you've said there. Both of them could have enjoyed commerical success just as much as Stevie, IMO. But I think there's something attractive about the fact that they didn't. Part of it is this desire that I have (perhaps others as well) to be able to say, "Well, one of my faves in the band is so and so," and have someone say "Who the heck is that? The only one I know is Stevie." Eh, I'm being silly.

jwd · #**298** 07-09-2005, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by dreamongypsydkm

If he loses to Stevie - f uck the chiffonheads even more, right?
I don't want him to win anymore. He's far too serious an artist to be arsed with these kinds of games.

Yea. We'll accept your concession. And when Stevie wins this "stupid" game

, we'll let her know she won by throwing a note attached to a unicorn beanie baby up on stage while she's rocking the house on one of her upcoming shows on The Gold Dust Tour. I'm sure she'd love to know.

Moony · #**299** 07-09-2005, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by GateandGarden

I haven't read the book but I have to agree with everything you've said there. Both of them could have enjoyed commerical success just as much as Stevie, IMO. But I think there's something attractive about the fact that they didn't. Part of it is this desire that I have (perhaps others as well) to be able to say, "Well, one of my faves in the band is so and so," and have someone say "Who the heck is that? The only one I know is Stevie." Eh, I'm being silly.