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David · #46 06-28-2005, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

And that was before 'Bella Donna.'
I think I would have had a bit of an attitude by the '80s if I were Stevie, too.

Yes, they were seriously nasty to her. But there's something about her fluffy personality that brings out the sadist in many people, including her bandmates. Remember that print interview she did with Sylvie Simmons in Creem? Sylvie said she wanted to pound Stevie's face to a pulp (I'm paraphrasing!) but that some of the children of her acquaintances wanted to "protect" her.

Stevie elicits widely varying responses in other people: some good, some bad. Unfortunately for Stevie, the responses she elicited from Fleetwood Mac were mostly bad back then. I hate to say it, but it's equivalent to the "so and so was just asking for it" in today's rape debates. But we must deal with that honestly if we are ever able to understand it. Why do people get violent when they think about or talk about Stevie? Was it their upbringing? Was it a combination of nature & nurture? A bad trip? A real or imagined slight by Stevie herself? Stars in the wrong alignment?

We must deal honestly with our sadistic desires to torture Stevie, & look deep within ourselves. Christine, if you are here, look deep within yourself. Same goes for you, Lindsey, & you, John .. & yes, even you, Mick. And Waddy, you could stand to do that, too, & you, too, Don Henley & Joe Walsh. Ginny, you, too.

SteveMacD · #47 06-28-2005, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

True - but that was a compromise because she quit the touring part of the band. In the end, I think they had all just had it with each other.

Christine's not touring was due more to the death of her father than any feelings she had towards the others. She just wanted to spend more time with her family. Frankly, she was the most gracious of the lot. She only had glowing things to say about the others.

glitter_fades · #48 06-28-2005, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Well, I think she profited from being in FM and I think she likes and liked being in FM - but she says it was out of loyalty that she went back time and time again and that makes sense because LB was a PRICK to her then. But, you cannot ever admit that she has any kind of goodness in her regarding that scenario or that none of it at all had anything to do with loyalty - so be it.

Interestingly, have you ever watched the Tusk doc. outtakes - they are so rude to Stevie it is almost embarrasing to watch. I mean who would want to be around that when they are selling well on their own. I sure would not.

I can't keep going around in circles with you if your view of Stevie and the other people in Fleetwood Mac comes from pasting together old quotes and watching bootlegs from years ago when you weren't even a fan of the band at that time. You and I will never see things the same way. If you got into Stevie as a solo, and you worship her and everything she does in her solo career, you can never see her from my viewpoint. Plain and simple. You're entitled to your view, as skewed as it is. I appreciate what you have to say. Perhaps a few people reading the board would like to know opinions of fans who don't see Stevie and FM the same way? Maybe not?

As far as Tusk outtakes...I don't agree everyone was always so rude to Stevie. I do know, at that time, Stevie was sneaking around laying the foundation for her solo career behind everyone's back and they heard rumblings about it. That couldn't have had anything to do with what you see as her being dissed? LB was a big asshole during the Tusk tour. No doubt. He was not too polite to her all the time during Rumours either. Again, I know what Stevie was doing offstage, and so do you, not just the stuff shown on some doc footage of the band in the studio and on tour. Doesn't excuse bad behavior or hostile attitudes from others, but Stevie is far from a martyr when it comes to her staying in FM.

I agree with you...who would want to be around that when they are selling well on their own. I sure would not.

David · #49 06-28-2005, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveMacD

Christine's not touring was due more to the death of her father than any feelings she had towards the others. She just wanted to spend more time with her family. Frankly, she was the most gracious of the lot. She only had glowing things to say about the others.

On tour, she referred repeatedly to "these blow-honkies my bandmates" & often launched spitwads at them while they were singing "Rhiannon" or "Oh Well."

At first, we in the audience didn't know where the spitwads were coming from -- we thought maybe it was John Courage doing it -- but then we could see Christine ducking down behind the KX-88, preparing the next wad.

SteveMacD · #50 06-28-2005, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by David

Yes, they were seriously nasty to her. But there's something about her fluffy personality that brings out the sadist in many people, including her bandmates. Remember that print interview she did with Sylvie Simmons in Creem? Sylvie said she wanted to pound Stevie's face to a pulp (I'm paraphrasing!) but that some of the children of her acquaintances wanted to "protect" her.

Stevie elicits widely varying responses in other people: some good, some bad. Unfortunately for Stevie, the responses she elicited from Fleetwood Mac were mostly bad back then. I hate to say it, but it's equivalent to the "so and so was just asking for it" in today's rape debates. But we must deal with that honestly if we are ever able to understand it. Why do people get violent when they think about or talk about Stevie? Was it their upbringing? Was it a combination of nature & nurture? A bad trip? A real or imagined slight by Stevie herself? Stars in the wrong alignment?

We must deal honestly with our sadistic desires to torture Stevie, & look deep within ourselves. Christine, if you are here, look deep within yourself. Same goes for you, Lindsey, & you, John .. & yes, even you, Mick. And Waddy, you could stand to do that, too, & you, too, Don Henley & Joe Walsh. Ginny, you, too.

sniff, sniff
Is that a little sarcasm I smell there?

strandinthewind · #51 06-28-2005, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveMacD

Christine's not touring was due more to the death of her father than any feelings she had towards the others. She just wanted to spend more time with her family. Frankly, she was the most gracious of the lot. She only had glowing things to say about the others.

I thought I read that she was tired of touring - but I defer to you.

I agree that she was the most gracious!

Mokona · #52 06-28-2005, 02:46 PM

This interview was a shock to me. You can definitely see the impact of meds on her personality. I wonder how many milligrams of Klonopin she was taking? She went into rehab, but that doesn't necessarily mean she was taking more than the prescribed amount. Some people have a really difficult time weaning off even the smallest dosages of Valium, Xanax, Klonopin, etc.

I take both Klonopin and an anti-depressant for anxiety right now and they both can dull your creativity, change your personality and the way your mind is functioning. My dosages aren't even that high; I'd love to quit both but so far haven't been able to. Props to Stevie for being able to work on anxiety issues/whatever else on her own without meds. It's really tough.

glitter_fades · #53 06-28-2005, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

The fact that I don't spend my days picking apart the mental health of a rock star I've never met, or discussing all the ways in which she's a "lesser talent" than her bandmates, doesn't mean I can't take criticism of Stevie, or that I haven't levelled my own criticisms towards her at times.
That's just a bull**** accusation designed to justifiy your oft-voiced contempt.

The amount of times you've called Lindsey a "whiney ass cry baby" is dwarfed by the amount of times you've discussed the finer points of Stevie's mentally unstable being. I was just looking for a little balance.

Yes, it is. So don't be surprised if one of us... *gasp*... Stevie fans disagrees with your opinions.

You can disagree all you want. Just don't mis-state my opinions as you both so often do. I'm entitled to my opinions same as you.

strandinthewind · #54 06-28-2005, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by glitter_fades

I can't keep going around in circles with you if your view of Stevie and the other people in Fleetwood Mac comes from pasting together old quotes and watching bootlegs from years ago when you weren't even a fan of the band at that time.

I have followed them since FM FM and knew of FM prior to the five.

David · #55 06-28-2005, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I thought I read that she was tired of touring - but I defer to you.

Her dad died in the summer of 1990 & Chris was in the U.S. touring. She probably felt the way we all felt if we were on tour with a dumb rock band when our dad died overseas: frustrated, angry, guilty, etc.

It's easy to picture someone saying, "I'm done touring with you blow-honkies after this." Sure enough, that's what Chris did!

strandinthewind · #56 06-28-2005, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by David

Her dad died in the summer of 1990 & Chris was in the U.S. touring. She probably felt the way we all felt if we were on tour with a dumb rock band when our dad died overseas: frustrated, angry, guilty, etc.

It's easy to picture someone saying, "I'm done touring with you blow-honkies after this." Sure enough, that's what Chris did!

LOL - I am imagining the term "blow-honkies" with that BBC esq. accent

glitter_fades · #57 06-28-2005, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I have followed them since FM FM and knew of FM prior to the five.

When you were five? You were reading the contemporary rock press at that time and not just forming all your views from old quotes out of context? Sorry, I stand corrected.

strandinthewind · #58 06-28-2005, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by glitter_fades

You can disagree all you want. Just don't mis-state my opinions as you both so often do. I'm entitled to my opinions same as you.

Considering you cannot even get the length of my fandom correct . . .

David · #59 06-28-2005, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveMacD

sniff, sniff
Is that a little sarcasm I smell there?

Not sarcasm, Steve. The sadism many feel is genuine & real. What is the root of this sadism directed at Stevie Nicks?

Fluoride in the water?

Headache-triggering computer monitors?

Career frustration?

An overwhelming sense of malaise?

Not enough fiber in the diet?

We must get to the bottom of this.

Say, what did one fiber strand say to the other after being swallowed? "We must get to the bottom of this."

strandinthewind · #60 06-28-2005, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by glitter_fades

When you were five? You were reading the contemporary rock press at that time and not just forming all your views from old quotes out of context? Sorry, I stand corrected.

I was born in 1966 - I had an older brother who LOVED FM as did several of my not much older relatives. So, you do indeed stand corrected.