Verdict reached in Michael Jackson case...

[jannieC]

The thing that bothers me the most about his acquittal (other than the fact that a guilty pervert freak has been let off) is that because he's so famous, this may be sending out a huge message to kids. DON'T TELL, because it won't do any good.

Pedophiles make it their business to surround themselves with kids, hence Freakboy Neverland Ranch. To anyone who is supporting him, please take off your fan goggles and see this person for what he is. And educate the children in your lives (maybe your six year old nephew, goldustboi) about how important it is to tell SOMEONE about abuse/molestation.

[goldustboi]

Originally Posted by dissention

You're right. I don't know what I could possibly be thinking. He dangles his baby from a hotel room balcony and forces his little children to wear masks and veils. He refuses them any contact with the birth mother and rears them in such a healthy, wonderful environment. He's a regular Father of the Year.

Gimme a ****ing break. He's a goddamned pedophile. Don't give this song and dance about "All he does is share his bed with boys, nothing else" because you know that's horse **** as much as I do. If he's such an innocent victim, he wouldn't have paid off his other accusers. If he's such an innocent victim, he would have fought the charges. I'm so sick of this "He's just eccentric" hogwash. He's as eccentric as I am black. He's mentally ill is what he is, and a pedophile to boot. Go put YOUR kid in bed with him if you have such great faith in him and his ability to keep his paws to himself.

My word you are an angry person.

Your post is simply RIDDLED with misinformed statements. E.g. when MJ has settled out of court in the past its because of advice he has taken from his people, if you could see through this bizarre hatred induced obsession with Michael Jackson you apparantly have, and do some research (No, I dont mean watching Court TV) then you'll have a clearer understanding of what went on and discover that the settlements were not his ideas - another example of how, being so naive, has gotten himself into trouble, by listening to people who make bad decisions FOR him.

Now go take some valium.

[trackaghost]

Originally Posted by goldustboi

My word you are an angry person.

Your post is simply RIDDLED with misinformed statements. E.g. when MJ has settled out of court in the past its because of advice he has taken from his people, if you could see through this bizarre hatred induced obsession with Michael Jackson you apparantly have, and do some research (No, I dont mean watching Court TV) then you'll have a clearer understanding of what went on and discover that the settlements were not his ideas - another example of how, being so naive, has gotten himself into trouble, by listening to people who make bad decisions FOR him.

Now go take some valium.

I don't know, wasn't Michael's biggest mistake sharing a bed with young boys. Did his people advise him to do that then?

The problem is here, is that Michael should have learned a huge lesson the first time round, that people simply do not approve of adult men sleeping with young boys. It is not the done thing, even if he's completely innocent. Despite being accused of abuse by Jordy Chandler and going through such a traumatic time as a result of that, Michael ignored everything that happened to him and carried on doing it! Classic symptoms of a paedophile I'd say.

I'd love to know, of his defenders, how many of them would let their child sleep in the same bed of a 46-year-old man.

Anyway, he's ruined now and his name is forever linked with child abuse. He won't be making a comeback and hopefully he doesn't have enough money to attract gold diggers who are willing to put their child in danger in exchange for a few bucks.

[sparky]

Originally Posted by trackaghost

I don't know, wasn't Michael's biggest mistake sharing a bed with young boys. Did his people advise him to do that then ?

I am supposing someone "advised" him to buy the picture books of naked young boys, the other porn, and the hallway to his bedroom that "alerts" the occupants when someone is approaching ?

Who advised this, John Wayne Gacy ?

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by sparky

I am supposing someone "advised" him to buy the picture books of naked young boys, the other porn, and the hallway to his bedroom that "alerts" the occupants when someone is approaching ?

Who advised this, John Wayne Gacy ?

Well, not only that, but any advice he got from any of his people does not obviate the fact that the prior victim was able to identify markings on Jackson's penis much less the porn you mentioned. He got lucky that the first victim could be bought off as that person had a MUCH better case than this last one.

As for the alert in the hallway - that is standard panic room issue for many rich people and stars. So, it does not concern me as much. Though, it being standard issue does not mean MJ did not use it to further his otherwise nefarious intent.

[goldustboi]

Originally Posted by trackaghost

I don't know, wasn't Michael's biggest mistake sharing a bed with young boys. Did his people advise him to do that then?

The problem is here, is that Michael should have learned a huge lesson the first time round, that people simply do not approve of adult men sleeping with young boys. It is not the done thing, even if he's completely innocent. Despite being accused of abuse by Jordy Chandler and going through such a traumatic time as a result of that, Michael ignored everything that happened to him and carried on doing it! Classic symptoms of a paedophile I'd say.

I'd love to know, of his defenders, how many of them would let their child sleep in the same bed of a 46-year-old man.

Anyway, he's ruined now and his name is forever linked with child abuse. He won't be making a comeback and hopefully he doesn't have enough money to attract gold diggers who are willing to put their child in danger in exchange for a few bucks.

I couldn't possibly say whether or not his behaviour displays "Classic symptoms of a paedophile" because I don't really come across many in day to day life. You apparantly do, so you would know.

People really have difficulty even trying to understand what kind of life Michael Jackson has lead so I really can't see how anybody can compare his value system to their own. I'm not trying to say that this would justify anything he ever did, but people presume that because Michael Jackson is in a bed with somebody, he's having, or at least trying to have sex with somebody.

And Im pretty sure he will make a comeback. There may be a lot of MJ haters but there's also still a helluva lot of people who like him and his music.

[ontheEdgeof17]

Originally Posted by goldustboi

And Im pretty sure he will make a comeback. There may be a lot of MJ haters but there's also still a helluva lot of people who like him and his music.

He has tried twice. Still, no avail. His Greatest Hits was a flop...so was his Invincible album. Maybe a third time is a charm? Personally his new material sucks. His dancing hasn't change a bit since the 70s. He needs to retire.

[jannieC]

Originally Posted by goldustboi

I couldn't possibly say whether or not his behaviour displays "Classic symptoms of a paedophile" because I don't really come across many in day to day life. You apparantly do, so you would know.

Just because someone is familiar with symptoms of mental illness, doesn't mean that they come across it in daily life. Why can't you just make your point without ignorant comments like that?

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by goldustboi

I couldn't possibly say whether or not his behaviour displays "Classic symptoms of a paedophile" because I don't really come across many in day to day life. You apparantly do, so you would know . . . .

I think it is a little disingenuous for you to state that MJ is not a pedophile if you know little about what that is -

But, for your edification:

PEDOPHILIA

A preference for repetitive sexual activity with prepubertal children.

(See also Ch. 264.)

Arbitrarily, the age of a person with this disorder is set at >= 16 yr, with the age difference between him and the child victim set at >= 5 yr. The age of the child is generally <= 13 yr. For older adolescents with pedophilia, no precise age difference is specified; clinical judgment is relied on. When the victim is postpubertal, the disorder is frequently labeled child molestation or ephebophilia (attraction to youths) rather than pedophilia.

Pedophiles prefer opposite-sex to same-sex children 2:1. Heterosexually oriented males tend to prefer girls aged 8 to 10 yr; in most cases, the adult is known to the child. Looking or touching seems more prevalent than genital contact. Homosexually oriented males prefer boys aged 10 to 13 yr, and their acquaintanceship with the child is more casual than that of heterosexually oriented males. Bisexual adult pedophiles usually choose children < 8 yr. Exclusive pedophiles are attracted only to children; nonexclusive types may also be attracted to adults.

Pedophiles may limit their sexual activities to their own children or close relatives (incest) or may also victimize other children. Predatory pedophiles may use force and threaten to physically harm the children or their pets if they disclose the sexual abuse. The course of pedophilia is chronic and may be complicated by substance abuse or dependence, depression, marital conflict, or antisocial personality disorder.

Sexual offenses against children constitute a significant proportion of reported criminal sexual acts. The recidivism rate for homosexual pedophilia is second only to exhibitionism, ranging from 13 to 28% of those apprehended--roughly twice the rate of heterosexual pedophilia.

http://www.merck.com/mrkshared/CVMHi....com#hl_anchor

[goldustboi]

Originally Posted by ontheEdgeof17

He has tried twice. Still, no avail. His Greatest Hits was a flop...so was his Invincible album. Maybe a third time is a charm? Personally his new material sucks. His dancing hasn't change a bit since the 70s. He needs to retire.

Id love to know what your definition of a flop is. Invincible sold 10 million copies worldwide - the only reason people say it flopped is because he's never been able to surpass the sales of Thriller - but who has? If by your definition Invincible was a flop, the Say You Will and TISL must be complete disasters.

And JannieC, I find it incredible how you can call me ignorant when 99% of the comments on this post are made up of ignorant comments towards Michael Jackson. If anybody here is ignorant, then it sure as hell isnt me.

[skcin]

Originally Posted by goldustboi

Id love to know what your definition of a flop is. Invincible sold 10 million copies worldwide - the only reason people say it flopped is because he's never been able to surpass the sales of Thriller - but who has? If by your definition Invincible was a flop, the Say You Will and TISL must be complete disasters.

And JannieC, I find it incredible how you can call me ignorant when 99% of the comments on this post are made up of ignorant comments towards Michael Jackson. If anybody here is ignorant, then it sure as hell isnt me.

Out of curiousity, how many copies did it sell in the U.S.?

[goldustboi]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I think it is a little disingenuous for you to state that MJ is not a pedophile if you know little about what that is -

But, for your edification:

PEDOPHILIA

A preference for repetitive sexual activity with prepubertal children.

(See also Ch. 264.)

Arbitrarily, the age of a person with this disorder is set at >= 16 yr, with the age difference between him and the child victim set at >= 5 yr. The age of the child is generally <= 13 yr. For older adolescents with pedophilia, no precise age difference is specified; clinical judgment is relied on. When the victim is postpubertal, the disorder is frequently labeled child molestation or ephebophilia (attraction to youths) rather than pedophilia.

Pedophiles prefer opposite-sex to same-sex children 2:1. Heterosexually oriented males tend to prefer girls aged 8 to 10 yr; in most cases, the adult is known to the child. Looking or touching seems more prevalent than genital contact. Homosexually oriented males prefer boys aged 10 to 13 yr, and their acquaintanceship with the child is more casual than that of heterosexually oriented males. Bisexual adult pedophiles usually choose children < 8 yr. Exclusive pedophiles are attracted only to children; nonexclusive types may also be attracted to adults.

Pedophiles may limit their sexual activities to their own children or close relatives (incest) or may also victimize other children. Predatory pedophiles may use force and threaten to physically harm the children or their pets if they disclose the sexual abuse. The course of pedophilia is chronic and may be complicated by substance abuse or dependence, depression, marital conflict, or antisocial personality disorder.

Sexual offenses against children constitute a significant proportion of reported criminal sexual acts. The recidivism rate for homosexual pedophilia is second only to exhibitionism, ranging from 13 to 28% of those apprehended--roughly twice the rate of heterosexual pedophilia.

http://www.merck.com/mrkshared/CVMHi....com#hl_anchor

Hang on a mo. I really dont see the relevance of this. According to trackaghost "Michael ignored everything that happened to him and carried on doing it" - Im not entirely sure where this falls into your definition of a paedophile? Im sure anything MJ does from now on people will say "Oh yeah, classic paedophile behaviour that is"

[skcin]

Originally Posted by skcin

Out of curiousity, how many copies did it sell in the U.S.?

Just repeating my question.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by goldustboi

Hang on a mo. I really dont see the relevance of this. According to trackaghost "Michael ignored everything that happened to him and carried on doing it" - Im not entirely sure where this falls into your definition of a paedophile? Im sure anything MJ does from now on people will say "Oh yeah, classic paedophile behaviour that is"

You said:

"I couldn't possibly say whether or not his behaviour displays "Classic symptoms of a paedophile" because I don't really come across many in day to day life. You apparantly do, so you would know . . . ."

So, I published that info. from the Merck Manual so you would know. I mean if you are going to say MJ is not a pedophile and then say "I couldn't possibly say whether or not his behaviour displays 'Classic symptoms of a paedophile'" - well, that is inconsistent as the former presumes you know what a ped. is.

But, to the current point - MJ is an adult hanging around with kids in the range that info. suggested and he exhibits control over them or their parents by buying them things. Moreover, MJ has a pattern of kids accusing him of Ped. behavior, some of which he has paid to make go away - thus a pattern exists. That is how that info. was relevant.

[Moony]

Originally Posted by skcin

Out of curiousity, how many copies did it sell in the U.S.?

Well, the RIAA website lists it as selling 2 million, and I think they only count US sales