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bushesandbriars · #**151** 05-26-2005, 09:59 PM

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You should try him, you'll probably like him. I suggest starting with the novellas because he's an acquired taste and you'll be able to tell right away if you want to delve any further into his work. Henderson the Rain King is his true masterpiece.

I will, and when I do I'll let you know what I think--any particular starting point in the novellas?

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The Robber Bride[/I], but I'm not sure. Regardless, she's one of the best writers out there. Her poetry knocks my socks off.

Her Circe/Mud poems are especially brilliant, I think, extra complex, because the voice goes back and forth. I still think it rocks you've read her and like her poems at least. Which of the poems do you favor, just out of curiosity? And do you find it weird how rarely her poems are anthologized?

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Did you see when Jon Stewart went on CNN's Crossfire and laid the smackdown on Carlson? Oh my, that was one priceless television moment. Stewart even called him a "dick."

Nope, missed that one. But Jon Stewart has his moments; I used to like his MTV show. Which aired for maybe two episodes.

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Let me know when you see it, I love to gush over that movie.

I sure will. That way we can be all Nicole-gushy together and make everyone ill with our agreeableness and mushy fan behavior.

GypsySorcerer · #**152** 05-26-2005, 10:01 PM

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I have, and it was very good. Richard Widmark made a better foil for her than a lot of her later leading men, IMO. I think Niagra was a good performance, too, because when she's being chased into that bell tower, you feel her terror.

But DBTK is probably better; she has more to do.

ITA about Widmark. Don Murray, Lawrence Olivier, Yves Montand.....no chemistry. Zilch.

Niagara is an enjoyable flick. When she arrives at the lawn party in that red dress.......Yowza.

bushesandbriars · #**153** 05-26-2005, 10:03 PM

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How did I miss that vid?!?
I would've liked to have seen it.

If you go to Nicole's Magic, which is where I got my Nic icons, and go into multimedia, I'm pretty sure you can download it. The URL is nkidman.com

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bushesandbriars · #**154** 05-26-2005, 10:09 PM

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ITA about Widmark. Don Murray, Lawrence Olivier, Yves Montand.....no chemistry. Zilch.

They make her seem too--I don't know; she was so beautiful and feminine, and they were so--stiff, or something; they make her seem exaggerated, to me. And Donald O'Connor in There's No Business Like Show Business is just absurd; he looks twelve, so she ends up looking like his mother. I think it would've been cool if she had been able to play a romantic lead opposite Monty Clift, because they had good chemistry. Very tender. And it would have been awesome if she had gotten to play opposite Paul Newman or Gregory Peck or some man as good-looking as she was.

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Niagara is an enjoyable flick. When she arrives at the lawn party in that red dress.......Yowza.

And when she sings--look out!

dissention · #**155** 05-26-2005, 10:11 PM

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I will, and when I do I'll let you know what I think--any particular starting point in the novellas?

My personal favorite is The Actual, but he has a collection of three novellas called Something To Remember Me By that's really good, too.

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Her Circe/Mud poems are especially brilliant, I think, extra complex, because the voice goes back and forth. I still think it rocks you've read her and like her poems at least. Which of the poems do you favor, just out of curiosity? And do you find it weird how rarely her poems are anthologized?

I like her early sixties ones the best, but my favorite has to be Against Still Life. That one is her best, bar none, in my opinion. Especially the lines:

your silence
isn't enough for me
now, no matter with what
contentment you fold
your hands together; i want
anything you can say
in the sunlight

I never really put much thought into her poems not being anthologized, to be honest. I do know that I love 'em, though.

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I sure will. That way we can be all Nicole-gushy together and make everyone ill with our agreeableness and mushy fan behavior.

I look forward to it.

GateandGarden · #**156** 05-26-2005, 10:12 PM

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We keep just missing each other, I think, or really, I keep missing you!

And Baby Makes Seven makes me want to cry and vomit and laugh and every time I read it. She's astonishing, and I think it's completely awesome you like her.

And the one with the ageing hookers who start to die off, one by one; I can't think of the title. That play is so moving and funny. And do not get me going on Baltimore Waltz.

The one with the old women is The Oldest Profession. I can't think of any other author/playwright/writer of any kind who makes me laugh and cry so much at once. It was really confounding when I first read one of her plays. I just didn't know what to think but I loved her. The first one I read was How I Learned to Drive and I spent the entire play laughing but then thinking I shouldn't be laughing because really the situation was quite sad.

And I love And Baby Makes Seven, too. I think she calls it her "Scottish play," but it's really charming, I think. For me, the worst part is when Ruth (I think I remember it being Ruth) tells Peter how unfair it is that she and Anna can't have a baby naturally and in a way so that it would be theirs and a part of both of them. Even though I don't want to have kids, I could relate to the idea that she was so deeply in love with Anna that she would want them to share that, but tragically, they could not. It was really hard for me to take.

GypsySorcerer · #**157** 05-26-2005, 10:13 PM

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They make her seem too--I don't know; she was so beautiful and feminine, and they were so--stiff, or something; they make her seem exaggerated, to me. And Donald O'Connor in There's No Business Like Show Business is just absurd; he looks twelve, so she ends up looking like his mother. I think it would've been cool if she had been able to play a romantic lead opposite Monty Clift, because they had good chemistry. Very tender. And it would have been awesome if she had gotten to play opposite Paul Newman or Gregory Peck or some man as good-looking as she was.

And when she sings--look out!

TNBLSB is a crappy movie altogether, IMO, and may very well be my least favorite of hers. No wonder she didn't want to make it.

River of No Return is pretty stinky too.

dissention · #**158** 05-26-2005, 10:14 PM

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If you go to Nicole's Magic, which is where I got my Nic icons, and go into multimedia, I'm pretty sure you can download it. The URL is nkidman.com

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Unfortunately, it's down, just like Team Nicole (which got hacked into last year).

GateandGarden · #**159** 05-26-2005, 10:14 PM

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The thing is, Orwell is so subtle and smart about it, and it's so much better than other writers who do all this: Oh, the pain! The pain! kind of thing. Just a few chlling moments and gestures, Julia and Winston are done in.

You know, I don't know if you've ever read Wicked by Gregory Maguire, but I always feel like that about the love affair between Elphaba and Fiyero. It's beautiful and moving and the way it ends up just KILLED me.

I never have read that, but I'll have to look into it now. I haven't read a book that gave me a punch in the stomach (much needed one I suppose) in the way that 1984 did in a long time, so I'll have to pick that up. Thank you.

GypsySorcerer · #**160** 05-26-2005, 10:15 PM

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Unfortunately, it's down, just like Team Nicole (which got hacked into last year).

****. I was actually going to change my avatar to a Nicole one.

dissention · #**161** 05-26-2005, 10:17 PM

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****. I was actually going to change my avatar to a Nicole one.

http://www.nicolekidmanunited.com/Avatars/
http://nicolekidmanunited.com/Avatars/nicole2.html
http://nicolekidmanunited.com/Avatars/nicole3.html
http://nicolekidmanunited.com/Avatars/nicole4.html
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I'm in need for a change, too, but I don't know what. As much as I adore him, I'm sick of looking at Jude Law's tongue.

bushesandbriars · #**162** 05-26-2005, 10:20 PM

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My personal favorite is The Actual, but he has a collection of three novellas called Something To Remember Me By that's really good, too.

Thanks.

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I like her early sixties ones the best, but my favorite has to be Against Still Life. That one is her best, bar none, in my opinion. Especially the lines:

your silence
isn't enough for me
now, no matter with what
contentment you fold
your hands together; i want
anything you can say
in the sunlight

I love that one, too. Her Susanna Moodie stuff is amazing, too, especially the one that ends, "I planted him in this country like a flag," in reference to her dead son.

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I look forward to it.

Me too.

GypsySorcerer · #**163** 05-26-2005, 10:22 PM

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http://www.nicolekidmanunited.com/Avatars/
http://nicolekidmanunited.com/Avatars/nicole2.html
http://nicolekidmanunited.com/Avatars/nicole3.html
http://nicolekidmanunited.com/Avatars/nicole4.html
http://nicolekidmanunited.com/Avatars/nicole5.html
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I'm in need for a change, too, but I don't know what. As much as I adore him, I'm sick of looking at Jude Law's tongue.

Thank you, dear.

She's so gorgeous in all of them.

bushesandbriars · #**164** 05-26-2005, 10:23 PM

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The one with the old women is The Oldest Profession. I can't think of any other author/playwright/writer of any kind who makes me laugh and cry so much at once. It was really confounding when I first read one of her plays. I just didn't know what to think but I loved her. The first one I read was How I Learned to Drive and I spent the entire play laughing but then thinking I shouldn't be laughing because really the situation was quite sad.

And I love And Baby Makes Seven, too. I think she calls it her "Scottish play," but it's really charming, I think. For me, the worst part is when Ruth (I think I remember it being Ruth) tells Peter how unfair it is that she and Anna can't have a baby naturally and in a way so that it would be theirs and a part of both of them. Even though I don't want to have kids, I could relate to the idea that she was so deeply in love with Anna that she would want them to share that, but tragically, they could not. It was really hard for me to take.

I totally agree with all of that, and the only thing I can possibly add is that even when you are sitting there thinking, You know, this freaks me out, she still has so much humanity and tenderness underlying her work, despite its toughness and the provocative subject matter, that you feel safe enough in some weird way to go there with her anyway. If that doesn't sound too blather-y of me.

bushesandbriars · #**165** 05-26-2005, 10:27 PM

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TNBLSB is a crappy movie altogether, IMO, and may very well be my least favorite of hers. No wonder she didn't want to make it.

ITA. She started out fairly enthusiastic, or so I've read, then got there and it was a disaster, start to finish.

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River of No Return is pretty stinky too.

Yes. And it's weird; Mitchum is such a manly-man, but you can tell they're both like, I'm under contract and have to make this movie. Though I do like her song at the end, and the one she sings to the little boy when they're at the cabin.