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[thepoetinmyhear]

Originally Posted by dissention

To hear Stevie tell it, if Fleetwood Mac hadn't reared its head, she would have packed it up and gone back to Phoenix. But it is Nicks, after all, so take it with a few pounds of salt. Lindsey, as much as he loved his guitar, always struck me as a lazy stoner without much smarts when it came to pursuing an actual career in music.

And he proves this time and time again. Lindsey, business wise, is a complete and utter moron. (sorry, a little pissy about the possibility of soundstage not being aired).

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by LiquidBlue5000

Fleetwood Mac has no future without Stevie and Lindsey... Fleetwood Mac had no past without Stevie and Lindsey... Fleetwood Mac has no present in between Stevie and Lindsey... So, while all those fine musicians are or were members of Fleetwood Mac, who noticed?? not many... the proof is in the record sales and the ticket sales...

Yeah, nobody noticed Fleetwood Mac when Peter Green was in the band. It's not like he was universally respected by the likes of the Grateful Dead, B.B. King, the Allman Bros., Santana, Eric Clapton, Joe Walsh, Willie Dixon, Muddy Waters, and countless others. Oh, wait, he was. It's not like Santana had his biggest hit with an old Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac song. Oh wait, he did. For that matter, nobody paid attention to Fleetwood Mac during the Bob Welch years. It's not like the band shattered records for attendance at the Filmore during the Future Games/Bare Trees era. Oh wait, they did. It's not like Bob Welch's "Hypnotized" never got played a lot on the radio. Oh wait, it did. It's not like the whole Fake Mac story wasn't all over Rolling Stone. Oh wait, it was. It's not like Fleetwood Mac had ever been on national television in the US prior to Stevie and Lindsey. Oh wait, they were. But you know what almost NEVER got played on the radio was anything from Fritz or Buckingham Nicks. Hell, save for a few blips in Billboard, they never got any national exposure whatsoever. In fact, in terms of the "Rumours" version of Fleetwood Mac, the last time I checked, it was Christine McVie who had the most hit singles.

So clearly, this band owes its everything to Stevie and Lindsey. Clearly, Fleetwood Mac was doomed for obscurity before Stevie and Lindsey, which is why all of their pre-1975 albums have fairly decent numbers compared to a certain album released by a certain california duo in 1973. For that matter, how many Warner-Reprise Fleetwood Mac albums have ever been out of print? NONE. Buckingham Nicks went out of print THREE times.

As for a future, the last time I checked, Lindsey's "Out Of The Cradle" sold about as many copies as "Time," SA and TISL failed to set sales figures on fire, Christine's "In The Meantime" wasn't a hit, and SYW was anything but a huge hit. It had a high debut, but fell rather quickly. "The Dance," which as we all know was mostly a rehasing of classic material, was the only recent Mac album to do well, which either suggests that the mass public will only buy into Fleetwood Mac if the five who were in the most successful version are in the band OR that the public really doesn't care about NEW Fleetwood Mac material at all. My hunch is the latter. So, if that's the game, it would appear that it really doesn't matter who's in Fleetwood Mac at this point, because the public that made the Mac a huge seller just doesn't care anymore. Incidentally, this is a problem for ALL artists of their generation.

Speaking of "The Dance," am I the only one who remembers that Stevie had basically become a joke prior to that album? In fact, it was Fleetwood Mac that made Stevie in 1975 and it was Fleetwood Mac that made her respectable again in 1997. I think she owes more to them than they owe her at this point.

[LiquidBlue5000]

Originally Posted by dissention

No, because that would imply that Stevie and Lidnsey made Fleetwood Mac. They did not and never will. As long as it has John McVie and Mick Fleetwood, it's Fleetwood Mac.

Well, "technically", yeah... my only point is that no one will care and no one will buy their records or see them play live... how many copies DID "The Mick Fleetwood Band" record sell anyway?

Originally Posted by dissention

In the scheme of the band, Stevie and Lindsey were just two other members like Rick Vito and Bekka Bramlett. Obviously the Rumours line-up is the most popular, but they were still just two members of the band. Fortunately, the fact of the matter is that with or without Buckingham Nicks, Fleetwood Mac is a band that will go forward. They did in the nineties, and for years before Buckingham Nicks joined, and they will again if they choose to do so.

doubt it! well, maybe Mick can give ole Bekka, Rick, and Billy a call and see if they wanna come back...

actually, now that i think about, aren't they STILL members of Fleetwood Mac?? Were they officially fired?? and if they weren't fired or they didn't leave the band, then how come they weren't on "The Dance"?? how come they weren't on "Say You Will?

come on, people... Mick knows as much as anyone that Fleetwood Mac NEEDS Stevie and Lindsey.. Anyone else are just "replacements" for them.. without those two, they are just another struggling band trying to book club dates...

[ThePenguin]

Originally Posted by skcin

"Put the f*cking lotion in the basket!"

...or is it "put the lotion in the f*cking basket!"?

ok, you guys are scaring the crap out of me!!!!

I still won't watch this movie if Marty is out of town. Or if i do i flip channels at the scary parts LOL.. I'm such a wuss. but really, that is like one of the scariest moves ever. I've seen it so many times i have all the lines memorized.

-Lis

[LiquidBlue5000]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

As for a future, the last time I checked, Lindsey's "Out Of The Cradle" sold about as many copies as "Time," SA and TISL failed to set sales figures on fire, Christine's "In The Meantime" wasn't a hit, and SYW was anything but a huge hit. It had a high debut, but fell rather quickly. "The Dance," which as we all know was mostly a rehasing of classic material, was the only recent Mac album to do well, which either suggests that the mass public will only buy into Fleetwood Mac if the five who were in the most successful version are in the band OR that the public really doesn't care about NEW Fleetwood Mac material at all. My hunch is the latter. So, if that's the game, it would appear that it really doesn't matter who's in Fleetwood Mac at this point, because the public that made the Mac a huge seller just doesn't care anymore. Incidentally, this is a problem for ALL artists of their generation.

Then why is it that FM played over 130 dates in the past 2 years?? If no one cared about them anymore, then why so many shows?? They certainly weren't doing it just for kicks... there is STILL a market for a Stevie/Lindsey Fleetwood Mac... i don't, however, recall an over 130-date "Time" tour in the 90's.. although i could be mistaken..

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

Speaking of "The Dance," am I the only one who remembers that Stevie had basically become a joke prior to that album? In fact, it was Fleetwood Mac that made Stevie in 1975 and it was Fleetwood Mac that made her respectable again in 1997. I think she owes more to them than they owe her at this point.

She made herself respectable again... she sounded great, she looked great.. she helped FM spawn two singles off "The Dance".. the ONLY singles off "The Dance"... but even if the reunion had not taken place, i would bet my left toe that a new Stevie Nicks solo album and tour would have been at least twice as successful as a new Fleetwood Mac album and tour without her and Lindsey.. again, the "Time" album..

[dissention]

Originally Posted by LiquidBlue5000

Well, "technically", yeah... my only point is that no one will care and no one will buy their records or see them play live... how many copies DID "The Mick Fleetwood Band" record sell anyway?

Beats me, I sure as **** didn't buy a copy.

[SuzeQuze]

Originally Posted by ThePenguin

ok, you guys are scaring the crap out of me!!!!

I still won't watch this movie if Marty is out of town. Or if i do i flip channels at the scary parts LOL.. I'm such a wuss. but really, that is like one of the scariest moves ever. I've seen it so many times i have all the lines memorized.

-Lis

It scared me so much I'll never watch it again. Eww eww eww. I also wouldn't watch any of the sequels/prequels/whatever the hell they were. That thing effed with my head for months!

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by LiquidBlue5000

Well, "technically", yeah... my only point is that no one will care and no one will buy their records or see them play live... how many copies DID "The Mick Fleetwood Band" record sell anyway?

Mick's solo albums NEVER sell well. But hey, OOTC, SA, and TISL really burned up the charts, didn't they? Fleetwood Mac is a major brand name that's bigger than any of them. And, to be honest, it's not like people were flocking in droves to the record store to buy SYW, or any recent Mac related album, save for "The Dance," which was basically a live greatest hits album. One of the big reasons "Time" didn't do well is that Mick Fleetwood and Dave Mason spent too much money trying to get the "right" sound, and Warners had little money to actually promote the album. The only advantage Stevie and Lindsey bring to Fleetwood Mac, at this point, is star power for concerts.

Originally Posted by LiquidBlue5000

doubt it! well, maybe Mick can give ole Bekka, Rick, and Billy a call and see if they wanna come back...

actually, now that i think about, aren't they STILL members of Fleetwood Mac?? Were they officially fired?? and if they weren't fired or they didn't leave the band, then how come they weren't on "The Dance"?? how come they weren't on "Say You Will?

Rick quit the band, and Mick disbanded Fleetwood Mac altogether in 1996. So, the second half of your comment is especially goofy. Personally, I'd love to see Mick and John get together with Billy, Bekka, & Rick. It won't happen. I think a reunion of Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac is more likely at this point. If that happens I think there would be a slight possibility of Rick being asked to help out, to take pressure off of Peter and Jeremy, but who knows.

Originally Posted by LiquidBlue5000

come on, people... Mick knows as much as anyone that Fleetwood Mac NEEDS Stevie and Lindsey.. Anyone else are just "replacements" for them.. without those two, they are just another struggling band trying to book club dates...

And, judging by sales figures, Stevie and Lindsey NEED Fleetwood Mac at this point. Otherwise, Stevie will be doomed to be a permanent Vegas act and Lindsey will either die at the age of 85 in his recording studio trying to put the finishing touches on his fourth solo album or spend the rest of his career being an opening act.

[LiquidBlue5000]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

Mick's solo albums NEVER sell well. But hey, OOTC, SA, and TISL really burned up the charts, didn't they? Fleetwood Mac is a major brand name that's bigger than any of them. And, to be honest, it's not like people were flocking in droves to the record store to buy SYW, or any recent Mac related album, save for "The Dance," which was basically a live greatest hits album.

Nonsense... Street Angel and TISL BOTH went gold.. I believe "SYW" went platinum.. did "Time" go gold or platinum? i don't think so.. last i heard, it was out of print.. as far as "Out Of The Cradle" is concerned, it spawned a hit single in "Countdown".. i distinctly remember hearing that song on the radio all the time in '93 and the video for it as well.. not sure whether it went gold or platinum or whatever, but again, i'll bet my left toe it sold better than "Time"

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

One of the big reasons "Time" didn't do well is that Mick Fleetwood and Dave Mason spent too much money trying to get the "right" sound, and Warners had little money to actually promote the album.

Right... well, i bet if they had asked Lindsey and Stevie to help out, it would have had the "right" sound..

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

The only advantage Stevie and Lindsey bring to Fleetwood Mac, at this point, is star power for concerts.

Well, that.. and we also get a non daisy dukes-wearing Bekka Bramlett-singing "Gold Dust Woman" performance...

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

Rick quit the band, and Mick disbanded Fleetwood Mac altogether in 1996.

And why oh why did Mick do that?? any particular reason?? ...hmmmm

[face of glass]

Originally Posted by LiquidBlue5000

Nonsense... Street Angel and TISL BOTH went gold.. I believe "SYW" went platinum.. did "Time" go gold or platinum? i don't think so.. last i heard, it was out of print.. as far as "Out Of The Cradle" is concerned, it spawned a hit single in "Countdown".. i distinctly remember hearing that song on the radio all the time in '93 and the video for it as well.. not sure whether it went gold or platinum or whatever, but again, i'll bet my left toe it sold better than "Time"

Here's a post on the sales figures, if you're interested. I haven't been able to find a newer one.
For instance, it says that Street Angel has been certified gold, but that it has sold only 226,000 copies.

This is because gold and platinum certifications are based on the amount of shipped units, not on the actual sold units.

[LiquidBlue5000]

Originally Posted by face of glass

Here's a post on the sales figures, if you're interested. I haven't been able to find a newer one.
For instance, it says that Street Angel has been certified gold, but that it has sold only 226,000 copies.

This is because gold and platinum certifications are based on the amount of shipped units, not on the actual sold units.

50,000 copies of "Time" sold.. oh my!!

[estranged4life]

Originally Posted by LiquidBlue5000

how many copies DID "The Mick Fleetwood Band" record sell anyway?

"The Mick Fleetwood Band" had sold only 3000 copies.

[cliffdweller]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

Clearly, Fleetwood Mac was doomed for obscurity before Stevie and Lindsey, which is why all of their pre-1975 albums have fairly decent numbers compared to a certain album released by a certain california duo in 1973. For that matter, how many Warner-Reprise Fleetwood Mac albums have ever been out of print? NONE. Buckingham Nicks went out of print THREE times.

That's like comparing apples to oranges. Different musical genre, different time, different country, different circumstances yadda, yadda, yadda...

[Serrart]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

My advice to Jason is to never again discuss any tidbits you might hear, because if it doesn't offer proof that a song was written about a clandestine affair with Lindsey, no one's gonna believe you anyway.

For me she can write about any affair , including Donald Duck and Daisy Duck , but please Lewinsky-Clinton is just too depressing... I don't want to know either.

Romy

[cliffdweller]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

And, judging by sales figures, Stevie and Lindsey NEED Fleetwood Mac at this point. Otherwise, Stevie will be doomed to be a permanent Vegas act and Lindsey will either die at the age of 85 in his recording studio trying to put the finishing touches on his fourth solo album or spend the rest of his career being an opening act.

*ouch* bitter much?