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[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by Kelly

I think Smile at you is about Don Henley . . . .

It is soooooo much nicer when we agree as here!!! It is sooo about Don.

[Kelly]

Yup, about Don. He was and is a tool.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by Kelly

Yup, about Don. He was and is a tool.

a Highwayman, if you will!!!!!!

[lagringader&r]

Originally Posted by Rumour0323

Ok I made my friend fly home to get this thing.....this is the argument that she and I have had all along with regards to TISL....that Tom Petty really had all that much to do with anything ....read these lyrics....

Dreams reoccur in my solitude
Breaking my heart
Imjuring my mood
With all of the things that I thought I knew
It was you
Well the conversation rings in my head

Well you know me better than I know myself
"Can you write this for me?"
He says "No, you write your songs yourself"
That made me stronger
It made me hold on to me

Well, I remember
You caught my eye
It was late September
It was no surprise
He made me better
His songs were soft and tender sometimes

Well you know me better than I know myself
"Can you write this for me?"
He says "No, you write your songs yourself"
That made me stronger
It made me hold on to me

The conversations ring in my head
I remember everything that we said
All those tears that we shed
Don't call me when you're lonely

You know me better than I know myself
"Can you write this for me?"
He says "No, you write your songs yourself"
That made me stronger
It made me hold on to me

Well you know me better than I know myself
"Can you write this for me?"
He says "No, you write your songs yourself"
He made me stronger
He made me hold on to me

Well, once more I tell the shadows of my soul
To stay back
Everything has changed now
And I don't want to go back
And nothing you can say can change my mind

Well, once more I tell the shadows of my soul
To stay back
Everything has changed now
And I don't want to go back
And nothing you can say can change my mind

Oh, I don't want to go back
And nothing you can say can change my mind
Oh, I don't want to go back
And nothing you can say can change my mind
Hey, I don't want to go back
And nothing you can say can change my mind..

I have always thought from the moment that I heard this song...that it was about Lindsey....ok I know big surprise ...but come on...read them.

I think that after hooking up with Lindsey for a short time to do the Twisted soundtrack cut that she went home to try and write a song about him. I do believe that she was having some trouble and may have asked Tom to help her with the song....and that is the part that appears in the chorus. But to me that does not make the song..ABOUT...Tom. I think it is about Lindsey....she just asked Tom to help her write it.

Now that doesn't really fit the description of a "blatant falsehood in the liner notes".....UNLESS.....she really asked Lindsey to help her and couldn't say that in 2001 so she said it was Tom.

Anyway....can't wait to read what you guys come up with.

Thanks Stephie for speeding home for me....glad you didn't get another ticket

I remember that story about her conversation with Tom. She had just gotten clean and was scared out of her mind. She felt she couldn't do it alone, sober. She asked Tom to help her and he gave her some tough love. He told her she could do it on her own and she didn't need his help. That was a pivotal time for Stevie because she had to prove to herself that she could write and create without the use of drugs and not be a failure. She was determined not to go back to the drugs. Line by line, verse by verse:

Dreams reoccur in my solitude
Breaking my heart
Imjuring my mood
With all of the things that I thought I knew
It was you
Well the conversation rings in my head

This verse is Stevie waking alone after rehab. I can almost picture her in her room, waking up sober and feeling very alone and scared. When she thought back on her life and how messed up she'd been and all the relationships and turmoil she'd been through, she was heartbroken and depressed. She thought of all the things that she *thought* she knew (but didn't), she knew who her friends were. She knew Tom and she starts to remember the conversation with him that would change her life.

Well you know me better than I know myself
"Can you write this for me?"
He says "No, you write your songs yourself"
That made me stronger
It made me hold on to me

The one person who wasn't some former lover or someone out to get something from her was Tom. Then she describes the conversation. His tough love made her stronger and helped her to hold on to her, the Stevie that was really Stevie. Not the coked out drug addict she thought she had become. He helped her get back to her.

Well, I remember
You caught my eye
It was late September
It was no surprise
He made me better
His songs were soft and tender sometimes

Obviously, reminiscing about Tom. He made her better and stronger by helping her believe in herself again. His songs were soft and tender sometimes.

The conversations ring in my head
I remember everything that we said
All those tears that we shed
Don't call me when you're lonely

I'm sure there were a lot of tears during that time for Stevie and especially when Tom told her no. She was scared and felt helpless and he was her lifeline. He wanted her to stand on her own two feet and pull it together (Don't call me when you're lonely). She had to.

Well, once more I tell the shadows of my soul
To stay back
Everything has changed now
And I don't want to go back
And nothing you can say can change my mind

Oh, I don't want to go back
And nothing you can say can change my mind
Oh, I don't want to go back
And nothing you can say can change my mind
Hey, I don't want to go back
And nothing you can say can change my mind..

These last two verses are Stevie talking to herself and her demons. "Stay back" and "Everything has changed". "I don't want to go back". This was her inner and outer fight to stay clean once and for all and pull it together.

Tom may have been the most important person in her life at that time. He may have saved her life. We should all be so grateful he was there for her and convinced her that she was still a strong, vibrant, creative woman, on her own and without any help. It made her stronger. Of all the relationships she's had in her life, his might be the most important, even though it wasn't romantic. Because it wasn't romantic, she could turn to him.

I would say this song is totally about Tom and I wouldn't take that away from him or her. It was too important a time in her life to toss it back to Lindsey again or to Mick or to Joe or to anyone else other than the person who was there for her and is largely responsible for her being here for us today.

As for BATB, it's not just the liner notes. She did an interview a few months ago (while not on Klonopin) that people seem to want to brush off, not take seriously or flat out call her a liar?

I think BATB is about Mick. If she says it is, I believe her. She wrote it, so she should know.

[Kelly]

Maybe I am mistaking the last post but Stevie was in rehab in early 94? and this dinner happened with Tom in 95. I am not sure she was reflecting back to laying in rehab. I do think the conversation was pivotal and provided the push she needed.

I am done arguing BaTB. You all can think what you want. Time will tell.

[lagringader&r]

Originally Posted by Kelly

I think Smile at you is about Don Henley. Just because some reporter assumes that it is clearly about Buckingham, doesnt make it so. With all the other songs she has written about LB, and said were about LB, does it really sound like she never wanted to be with him? That she regretted their relationship? Hardly. "He is my love, my first love, my love for all time,.....I look at him now and go "oh Stevie, you made a mistake"..Mojo 2003. That is hardly tongue in Cheek. (The over my dead body comment was tongue in cheek. )
Listen to Silver Springs, written around the same time as SaY..does she sound like she never wanted to be with him?

Could be about Henley, but I think it just reeks of Lindsey. His girlfriend after Stevie seemed very clingy and needy, which is exactly the type of woman a controlling man needs and wants. Stevie is the opposite of that. She didn't want to be the clingy girlfriend who depended on him. Henley just seemed like an asshole I don't know how controlling he was.

I think Stevie could very well have regretted hooking up with Lindsey back then. That was during all the aftermath and it's really easy to think "I wish I'd never met you"! when all that's going on.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by GardenStateGirlie

I suppose that all depends on how you view Stevie I find her to be a little odd (and not in a bad way). I think many of her songs transition from one thought pattern to the next. If she's looking back in retrospect on a relationship and writing about how she was feeling at the time, I think it's possible for her to write about two to finish the song. JMO of course.

Just as long as no one starts saying that even though Stevie claims "Think About It" was written FOR Christine, it's really ABOUT Lindsey, we should be ok.

[Kelly]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

Just as long as no one starts saying that even though Stevie claims "Think About It" was written FOR Christine, it's really ABOUT Lindsey, we should be ok.

Well, now that I think about it....j/k.

No one has changed my mind about BaTB though.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by Kelly

Maybe I am mistaking the last post but Stevie was in rehab in early 94? and this dinner happened with Tom in 95. I am not sure she was reflecting back to laying in rehab. I do think the conversation was pivotal and provided the push she needed.

I am done arguing BaTB. You all can think what you want. Time will tell.

I think the "Dreams recur in m,y solitude" is the time after SA when she went home in despair at her weight and horrified at the lack of relative success of SA, her thought that it had been poorly produced, and her faded star. In a couple of interviews, she mentions that all of that remorse sent her into solitude in Phoenix. Maybe the dreams recuring is the wanting to be popular and/or creative again. I think that part of the song is great as is the "Well, once more I tell the shadows of my soul - To stay back" line. The rest, to me, is for the birds.

[Kelly]

Originally Posted by lagringader&r

Could be about Henley, but I think it just reeks of Lindsey. His girlfriend after Stevie seemed very clingy and needy, which is exactly the type of woman a controlling man needs and wants. Stevie is the opposite of that. She didn't want to be the clingy girlfriend who depended on him. Henley just seemed like an asshole I don't know how controlling he was.

I think Stevie could very well have regretted hooking up with Lindsey back then. That was during all the aftermath and it's really easy to think "I wish I'd never met you"! when all that's going on.

She certainly wrote plenty of songs about him back then expressing feelings other than "I wish I never met you". I will give you the old Planets was sort of harsh...I will never dream. However, she also talks about how the loss made her feel like she was dying. So no, I don't think she regretted loving him.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by Kelly

. . . No one has changed my mind about BaTB though.

Ohhhh Kelly - you are too blind - toooooo bliiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnddddd to seeeeeeeeee
Stevie wrote it for Mick - I believe

[sparky]

Originally Posted by GardenStateGirlie

Considering that we're all well-educated working women in relationships and have families and friends, I find it highly offensive that you'd say we're bordering on neurosis. Perhaps we should psychoanalyze you instead?

This thread has been doing fine on it's own with discussion that hasn't gotten out of hand. If this thread is chapping your ass so much, why don't you stop reading it instead of interjecting with your smartass comments and witty reparte. Thanks.

Speak for yourself. I am not a woman, and I don't think Stew or Strand is either. Feel free to psychoanalyze me. Knock yourself out.

I think it is a little neurotic to be emotionally invested in which celebrity Stevie Nicks did or did not write a song about. Especially when it comes to songs that are mainly inspired by literature. Mere neurosis is highly offensive ?
It's not like I said sociopathic.

BTW, I will interject wherever I please. I find some of what is said to be silly and likely startling in it's lack of accuracy. The insistence that all of Stevie's songs are about Lindsey is sadly lacking in smartass comments and wittiness. Block my chapped ass. It's an option.

[Kelly]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I think the "Dreams recur in m,y solitude" is the time after SA when she went home in despair at her weight and horrified at the lack of relative success of SA, her thought that it had been poorly produced, and her faded star. In a couple of interviews, she mentions that all of that remorse sent her into solitude in Phoenix. Maybe the dreams recuring is the wanting to be popular and/or creative again. I think that part of the song is great as is the "Well, once more I tell the shadows of my soul - To stay back" line. The rest, to me, is for the birds.

That one line? "Well once more I tell the shadows of my soul to stay back" is perfection. It is the only thing I like about the entire song.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by sparky

. . . Block my chapped ass . . . .

Is that "chapped" as in raw or chapped as in clothing

[Kelly]

Originally Posted by sparky

Speak for yourself. I am not a woman, and I don't think Stew or Strand is either. Feel free to psychoanalyze me. Knock yourself out.

I think it is a little neurotic to be emotionally invested in which celebrity Stevie Nicks did or did not write a song about. Especially when it comes to songs that are mainly inspired by literature. Mere neurosis is highly offensive ?
It's not like I said sociopathic.

BTW, I will interject wherever I please. I find some of what is said to be silly and likely startling in it's lack of accuracy. The insistence that all of Stevie's songs are about Lindsey is sadly lacking in smartass comments and wittiness. Block my chapped ass. It's an option.

No one has insisted that ALL of Stevie's songs are about Lindsey. It apparently chaps your ass that some in fact ARE about him for some reason.
No one is emotionally invested in what the songs are about. This is a message board where we can discuss whatever the hell we want. No one tells you what is appropriate to discuss. I find some of your posts to be startlingly lacking in accuracy but I don't find the need to interject with a meaningless post meant to inflame.