Vegas Beauty Beast Vid

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by dissention

Because when there is a conflict, she stays clear.

One of the funniest lines she's ever written. I have a hard time believing that stout little drama queen steers clear of conflict. She wouldn't be able to write a single one of her bloody songs if she did.

Drama Queens can sniff each other out a mile away.

[Kelly]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

unless you have some fact to back that up - that is your opinion



which she repeatedly and consistently has said for like 5 years is about Mick not Lindsey no matter how many times you say it is about LB

Yea, ok.....I have my opinions on BC but BaTB? She has hardly repeatedly and consistently said it is about Mick. Or are three or four times repeating the story about how he was there when filming the thing what you are talking about?

[Kelly]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Interestingly, I think in her own way - she sees herself that way (a deadly flower or bella donna), which makes the song, which clearly is about R.'s daughter, personal to her. I think it is sort of the same for B&B. I think that song is about the movie but somewhere in there she saw her her relationship with Mick and drew an anaology. I think the two are consistent and not mutually exclusive ideas. Stevie is rarely black or white; instead she is all about shades of grey - even while running throuigh the garden in brilliant colors

Oh but this is your opinion! Unless you have some facts to back it up..how do you know Stevie is shades of gray?

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by Kelly

Yea, ok.....I have my opinions on BC but BaTB? She has hardly repeatedly and consistently said it is about Mick. Or are three or four times repeating the story about how he was there when filming the thing what you are talking about?

First of all, I was being tongue in cheek because you asked me for my proof on BC a few days ago, which I willingly admitted I did not have though this was discussed awhile back on Nancy's board

Lastly, please show me where she has ever refuted the Timespace liner notes Thus, I have actual proof that Mick is somewhere in there. To my knowledge, you have no proof at all that (1) Mick is not or (2) the song is about LB

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by Kelly

Oh but this is your opinion! Unless you have some facts to back it up..how do you know Stevie is shades of gray?

Because she says we must read between her lines and that she never tells all of her secrets though she seems to be doing so lately. Next

But, of course that was my opinion. That is why I started it with "I think" - but that does not in any way obviate that she has specifically and clearly said Mick is part of that song.

[Kelly]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

First of all, I was being tongue in cheek because you asked me for my proof on BC a few days ago, which I willingly admitted I did not have though this was discussed awhile back on Nancy's board

Lastly, please show me where she has ever refuted the Timespace liner notes Thus, I have actual proof that Mick is somewhere in there. To my knowledge, you have no proof at all that (1) Mick is not or (2) the song is about LB

I know you were, I forgot to put a smiling dude or whatever. I hardly take what is printed in the linear notes as proof beyond a reasonable doubt. She says written FOR not ABOUT. You can make that distinction with Landslide but apparently not BaTB. Cool.

[glitter_fades]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

you have no proof at all that (1) Mick is not or (2) the song is about LB

I showed plenty of proof on both. You say the movie is what the song is about. OK, sure.
I say it's about Stevie kicking herself in the ass. That get's my #1 vote!

So we still can't get to the bottom of who is the beauty and who is the beast? So far the CSF have more proof than the CH who insist the Timespace liner notes written at the high of her Klonipin haze are the gospel.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by Kelly

I know you were, I forgot to put a smiling dude or whatever. I hardly take what is printed in the linear notes as proof beyond a reasonable doubt. She says written FOR not ABOUT. You can make that distinction with Landslide but apparently not BaTB. Cool.

ACK - I was like "Kelly is yelling at me "

As for B&B - I think it is different from Landslide. I think it makes sense that in Landslide, she was pondering changes in her life and her parents' offer, LB, their dream, and the music industry were part of those changes. So, she was never inconsistent in her explanation. As for B&B, she has repeatedly said she wrote the song about the characters in the movie - then she says Mick is in there somewhere because the plot of the movie reminded her of her realtionship with him. She did not say it reminded her of her relationship with LB - though I am sure he is in there somewhere in some general way. Again, I am just going by what she said.

[Rumour0323]

Oy Vey....Strandie.....come on. You must at least admit that yes, Mick is in there, as is the movie, but the overriding message of the song is....after being dumped by Mick for her best friend, and after seeing the movie, she thinks to herself.....well I deserved that...(getting dumped)...I loved him (Mick...put your hand over your mouth Kelly ) and he dumped me. She is a Beast....just like Beauty! Lindsey let her go....that is what she wanted and so he did it, even though it took him ten years and finally leaving the band do get over it, he let her go....that was the gift. Getting dumped by Mick and possibly some others as well, gave her a taste of her own medicine and I think BATB is... if nothing else... maybe an apology...yes to Lindsey...but to all the others she so callously cast aside along the way. I also think that she is, in addition, giving Lindsey his props for what he does with her music, in the line...."There is no beauty, without my beast." So she also says ....and I do appreciate that even tho I left you, you continue to help me even though I know it sometimes pains you to do so. So is the song ABOUT any one person or thing? No....but how all of those things made HER feel.

Now.... when she was singing it in Las Vegas? That was ....IMHO....all FOR Lindsey. Like if you never got the message before buddy, I am telling you now, and maybe she was speaking to both of them. Mick and Lindsey...doesn't seem to me that Mick was all that concerned about it...I don't think the same could be said for the mystery man in the upper mezzanine.

[strandinthewind]

[QUOTE=glitter_fades] I showed plenty of proof on both. You say the movie is what the song is about. OK, sure.
I say it's about Stevie kicking herself in the ass. That get's my #1 vote! QUOTE]

Me too and she is, as she said, kicking herself because she was hurt by the Mick relationship. But, that does not obviate her point that the poem originally was about the characters in the film. I think either while writing it or thereafter she came to this analogy.

Originally Posted by glitter_fades

So we still can't get to the bottom of who is the beauty and who is the beast? So far the CSF have more proof than the CH who insist the Timespace liner notes written at the high of her Klonipin haze are the gospel.

And your proof again is what - cuz I aint seen none yet other than your speculation. AND - btw - please let me know which of the other liner notes are so patently false because I think they all sound true to me

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by Rumour0323

Oy Vey....Strandie.....come on. You must at least admit that yes, Mick is in there, as is the movie, but the overriding message of the song is....after being dumped by Mick for her best friend, and after seeing the movie, she thinks to herself.....well I deserved that...(getting dumped)...I loved him (Mick...put your hand over your mouth Kelly ) and he dumped me. She is a Beast....just like Beauty! Lindsey let her go....that is what she wanted and so he did it, even though it took him ten years and finally leaving the band do get over it, he let her go....that was the gift. Getting dumped by Mick and possibly some others as well, gave her a taste of her own medicine and I think BATB is... if nothing else... maybe an apology...yes to Lindsey...but to all the others she so callously cast aside along the way. I also think that she is, in addition, giving Lindsey his props for what he does with her music, in the line...."There is no beauty, without my beast." So she also says ....and I do appreciate that even tho I left you, you continue to help me even though I know it sometimes pains you to do so. So is the song ABOUT any one person or thing? No....but how all of those things made HER feel.

Now.... when she was singing it in Las Vegas? That was ....IMHO....all FOR Lindsey. Like if you never got the message before buddy, I am telling you now, and maybe she was speaking to both of them. Mick and Lindsey...doesn't seem to me that Mick was all that concerned about it...I don't think the same could be said for the mystery man in the upper mezzanine.

I just do not see LB in this song. I think that is incorrect except in a general sense that the song is about lamented love and the action which brought on that lamentation, which LB certainly fits. Again, Mick's actions are irrelevant to Stevie's interpretation of them I also think people are taking the lines realted to the movie, which she wrote the song about, and extrapolating them too far - but to each their own.

BTW - is Storms about LB too - because based on your model it could be

[glitter_fades]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

AND - btw - please let me know which of the other liner notes are so patently false because I think they all sound true to me

You don't know how giddy this makes me! Come into my web.

There is one blatant falsehood on TISL liner notes, and I think there could be another. Your mission, should you decide to accept it, is to find said falsehoods and report back to us before Stevie let's the BATB cat out of the bag once and for all.

[dudden22]

[QUOTE=glitter_fades]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

There is one blatant falsehood on TISL liner notes, and I think there could be another.

Do share

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by glitter_fades

You don't know how giddy this makes me! Come into my web.

There is one blatant falsehood on TISL liner notes, and I think there could be another. Your mission, should you decide to accept it, is to find said falsehoods and report back to us before Stevie let's the BATB cat out of the bag once and for all.

She was Klonopin during TISL?

[Rumour0323]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I just do not see LB in this song. I think that is incorrect except in a general sense that the song is about lamented love and the action which brought on that lamentation, which LB certainly fits. Again, Mick's actions are irrelevant to Stevie's interpretation of them I also think people are taking the lines realted to the movie, which she wrote the song about, and extrapolating them too far - but to each their own.



BTW - is Storms about LB too - because based on your model it could be

Ok to the first part, and I agree. I just don't see Stevie as the type of songwriter that sees a movie or reads Rappuchini's daughter and decides to write a song about it...without it somehow relating to her personal life that's all. I also think that just like her songs touch us and make us think of someone special I am quite certain they may do the same for her. I think of this often when I hear her perform....HAEWAFY. I know she wrote that for Joe but is that necessarily who it reminds her of now....when she sings it. I don't know.

Is Storms about LB? No dammit....and I so want it to be. I do think he may be the line where she says "and I did not deal with you I know....tho the love has always been"... almost as if she is looking at her now second member of the band that has gone out of her life and in writing about the current one, the former one comes into view and she says...oh yeah....and you too. I did not deal with you either. You know that whole stream of consiousness thing that Lindsey always talks about with regards to her writing.