Vegas Beauty Beast Vid - Page 9

lagringader&r · #**121** 05-17-2005, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SapphireSister

BATB is absolutely about Mick. Check out the Timespace liner notes...
I quote "WRITTEN FOR MICK FLEETOWOOD...This was inspired by the Jean Cocteau movie from the '30s. When I first saw it, the story itself was happening in my life-- my beast was slipping away from me... my heart was breaking, but I learned something that became a difficult lesson-- you are not always the beast, and many times you are not the beauty... remember this." Could she be any more clear?

Side note - if anyone happened to have heard the KLOS Jim Ladd interview last month Stevie goes into detail how about incredibly painful her breakup with Mick was and states it was one of the most difficult times of her entire life. This is when she wrote Storms (which she adorably refers to as "Always Been a Storm").

I know I've heard and read things through the years about how hard that breakup was for her. She was madly in love with him and it hurt her and maybe it still does to think about, if this is something she talked about a month ago!

I also think it might have been uncomfortable for Mick to be there for that performance, which is why he distracted himself possibly. He had to know how much he hurt her. I always suspected Storms was about Mick, but whoa! She wrote the most beautiful songs about him. BATB and Storms are two of my absolute favorite songs ever and both can make me cry and often do! I'm going to watch the BATB video again now.

catinthedark · #**122** 05-17-2005, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by SapphireSister

BATB is absolutely about Mick. Check out the Timespace liner notes...
I quote "WRITTEN FOR MICK FLEETOWOOD...This was inspired by the Jean Cocteau movie from the '30s. When I first saw it, the story itself was happening in my life-- my beast was slipping away from me... my heart was breaking, but I learned something that became a difficult lesson-- you are not always the beast, and many times you are not the beauty... remember this." Could she be any more clear?

Side note - if anyone happened to have heard the KLOS Jim Ladd interview last month Stevie goes into detail how about incredibly painful her breakup with Mick was and states it was one of the most difficult times of her entire life. This is when she wrote Storms (which she adorably refers to as "Always Been a Storm").

Yeah, I gotta say, this one seems pretty clear to me, too. Not only because she has said it and written about it, but because I really believe their love affair WAS all that. If there was equal evidence that it was about Lindsey, I'm not sure anyone would doubt it. But her love for Mick, though much shorter compared to her relationship with Lindsey, was, according to her, really deep and a huge part of her life. But it seems to give people the willies. She apparently locked herself in her room for days after he dumped her - but I think that was just the climax to the realization they both had had that they couldn't continue. I had always thought Storms was for Mick, too. Who I also do believe was the Beast. He was beautiful to her on the inside. I think, in fact, that Stevie has never been blinded by good looks. Sure, she dated Lindsey, and Don was considered hot in his day - but she has proven that she doesn't judge her boys by their looks. Anyway... this is so starting to ramble. Will stop now.

glitter_fades · #**123** 05-17-2005, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by lagringader&r

I know I've heard and read things through the years about how hard that breakup was for her. She was madly in love with him and it hurt her and maybe it still does to think about, if this is something she talked about a month ago!

I also think it might have been uncomfortable for Mick to be there for that performance, which is why he distracted himself possibly. He had to know how much he hurt her. I always suspected Storms was about Mick, but whoa! She wrote the most beautiful songs about him. BATB and Storms are two of my absolute favorite songs ever and both can make me cry and often do! I'm going to watch the BATB video again now.

Stevie was madly in love with everyone she was ever involved with. The shorter the relationship the more devastating it was to her. BTW, Mick didn't distract himself at the show. He was not paying attention during most of it. He looked bored to me. He was mostly talking and playing with his kids. I was sitting right across from him. If it was too painful for him to watch he didn't have to come to the show. The fact that they have remained close friends and never rekindled any romance to anyone's knowledge, even given many opportunities when neither was attached or when there was no band to speak of, is more than enough proof for me that Stevie makes a big deal out of the Mick affair, because not to shows something about her she doesn't like to admit...the fleeting affairs habit. Mick goes along with her story because it keeps Stevie happy with the drama. Both songs everyone loves so much about Mick, Storms and BATB, are really about Stevie more than anyone else. jmho

GardenStateGirlie · #**124** 05-17-2005, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by glitter_fades

Stevie was madly in love with everyone she was ever involved with.

Because it gave her something to write about

In many of her songs there's a huge trend...the longing, the heartache, the relationship that could never work (mainly in part because if she made it work, she'd have nothing to write about when you think about it). Just my .02

strandinthewind · #**125** 05-17-2005, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Lux

Are some of you admitting that Stevie is a liar? If so, are we going to assume she can lie (stretch the truth, whatever) equally about her relationship with Lindsey and songs about Lindsey as she apparently does in relation to Mick? If she had said that Storms was written about Lindsey, I can assume everyone would quite willingly jump on board with that explanation. No matter she says, the theories are always swayed towards her sole devotion to Lindsey. I didn't mean it as an accuastion, surely those who I'm describing admit this?

I just do not get why the assumption is she is lying. I think she is doing nothing of the sort, despite your obvious glee at a potential Stevie slight

I mean exactly how is her saying she wrote the song about the characters in the movie and then while writing thinking hey this is kind of going on in my life - and then writing with that personal emotion in ANY WAY to be contrued as a lie? Same with songs she says are about LB - Landslide being the perfect example. She said it was about: (1) her parents pressing her to leave the music business and; (2) LB. Well, it is consistent to say it could be about both. She could have been sitting there thinking LB has left me to go on tour with the Everely Brothers and I am stuck without a job and my parents are offering me financial freedom and we are not making it in the music business. Those seemingly are consistent thoughts

Thus, I think it is incorrect to say she lied.

glitter_fades · #**126** 05-17-2005, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by GardenStateGirlie

Because it gave her something to write about

In many of her songs there's a huge trend...the longing, the heartache, the relationship that could never work (mainly in part because if she made it work, she'd have nothing to write about when you think about it). Just my .02

You got that right, girl!

strandinthewind · #**127** 05-17-2005, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by glitter_fades

Stevie was madly in love with everyone she was ever involved with . . . .

Bless her heart

But, I agree, she tends to take what others probably would consider to be a fling and make it sound like it was the love scene from "From Here to Eternity."

GardenStateGirlie · #**128** 05-17-2005, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Bless her heart

But, I agree, she tends to take what others probably would consider to be a fling and make it sound like it was the love scene from "From Here to Eternity."

Which makes her the writer that she is. Jason, IT'S THE POET THAT SHE IS. YOU CAN'T CHANGE THAT!

I can't imagine her being happily in love and producing some of the great things she's produced throughout the years. Maybe some day she'll proove me wrong?

strandinthewind · #**129** 05-17-2005, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Lux

Actually I wasn't saying whether I think she's a liar either way. I was just commenting on the need for her to be forgetting, speaking metaphorically or whatever when something loving and meaningful is said to be about Mick (or someone else but particularly Mick) and the need for it to be the absolute truth when a loving and meaningful piece is about Lindsey. It's not some new observation, it's blatantly obvious. And again, I assume that the people who I'm referring to are not crazy, also realise this and see the obvious swaying. If I'm wrong and they truly believe the convenient inconsistency then maybe they are a little loopy.

Touche' my dear touche'

Johnny Stew · #**130** 05-17-2005, 11:46 PM

Uhm, newsflash... Stevie's a drama queen. Even says as much about herself.
She's also a romantic.

Artists use pain for inspiration, and Stevie romanticizes her broken relationships because it provides inspiration for her songs.

I do believe "Beauty And The Beast" and "Storms" touch on some aspects of her relationship with Mick. I don't think he's the be-all and end-all behind them though. Certainly the former is mainly inspired by the film, but for a song to have been written with such conviction, it's obvious that Stevie related to it.

And yes, I do think Stevie loved Mick.
You can love many people over the course of a lifetime... that's really not a bad thing, nor something to be ashamed of... nor does it negate the impact of past relationships.

glitter_fades · #**131** 05-17-2005, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

Uhm, newsflash... Stevie's a drama queen. Even says as much about herself.
She's also a romantic.

Artists use pain for inspiration, and Stevie romanticizes her broken relationships because it provides inspiration for her songs.

I do believe "Beauty And The Beast" and "Storms" touch on some aspects of her relationship with Mick. I don't think he's the be-all and end-all behind them though. Certainly the former is mainly inspired by the film, but for a song to have been written with such conviction, it's obvious that Stevie related to it.

And yes, I do think Stevie loved Mick.
You can love many people over the course of a lifetime... that's really not a bad thing, nor something to be ashamed of... nor does it negate the impact of past relationships.

Good points. I also agree Stevie loved Mick. She loved him like everybody she ever knew or met.

glitter_fades · #**132** 05-17-2005, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Lux

Are some of you admitting that Stevie is a liar? If so, are we going to assume she can lie (stretch the truth, whatever) equally about her relationship with Lindsey and songs about Lindsey as she apparently does in relation to Mick? If she had said that Storms was written about Lindsey, I can assume everyone would quite willingly jump on board with that explanation. No matter she says, the theories are always swayed towards her sole devotion to Lindsey. I didn't mean it as an accuastion, surely those who I'm describing admit this?

I wouldn't get on board with that theory. If what she has for Lindsey is devotion, he's in worse trouble than I thought. I agree with your point about people taking her supposed LB subject matter at face value. I think she shades the truth about those songs too. Stevie's most truthful and revealing subject matter is Stevie.

Johnny Stew · #**133** 05-17-2005, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Lux

Actually I wasn't saying whether I think she's a liar either way. I was just commenting on the need for her to be forgetting, speaking metaphorically or whatever when something loving and meaningful is said to be about Mick (or someone else but particularly Mick) and the need for it to be the absolute truth when a loving and meaningful piece is about Lindsey. It's not some new observation, it's blatantly obvious. And again, I assume that the people who I'm referring to are not crazy, also realise this and see the obvious swaying. If I'm wrong and they truly believe the convenient inconsistency then maybe they are a little loopy.

There is definitely a deep desire on the part of many fans, for Stevie's most meangingful songs to be about Lindsey and no one else.

And, of course, there are many songs Stevie has specifcally said were about him... but quite a number which she hasn't. For some strange reason, people want to box her into only writing about him, when it comes to those songs too.

But certainly Mick, and Don, and Joe Walsh, and Waddy, and God knows who else, are in those songs, too.
In fact, I've often thought that aspects of many of those relationships are touched upon even in the course of one song.

The one major pattern in Stevie's romantic life, is that she dated strong-willed men, had tempestuous relationships with them, and then the relationship ended. So by that criteria, even a song like "Silver Springs" could be attributed to her relationship with Don Henley, for example.

I think people just feel it's more romantic if they're all about Lindsey.

dissention · #**134** 05-17-2005, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by glitter_fades

I wouldn't get on board with that theory. If what she has for Lindsey is devotion, he's in worse trouble than I thought.

Love ya, darling.

strandinthewind · #**135** 05-17-2005, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by glitter_fades

I wouldn't get on board with that theory. If what she has for Lindsey is devotion, he's in worse trouble than I thought. I agree with your point about people taking her supposed LB subject matter at face value. I think she shades the truth about those songs too. Stevie's most truthful and revealing subject matter is Stevie.

and that is not really a bad thing. I mean she is talking about love affairs from her point of view (the joy, the pain, etc. ) as she was in them

Also, LB is laughing all the way to the bank off of the money he has made off of that devotion