The Girls Light Em Up on Unreleased Versions - Page 3

MacMan · #31 04-22-2005, 08:58 PM

My brother is or was into Metallica and on I think it was their last tour... They have this website strickly for downloading live shows. The whole tour was recorded and the whole tour was up for download... Think the cost was $10 bucks a show... you had the option of wav or mp3 download... Not sure, but I think it came with artwork too.... And you could have the show you were at about 2-3 days after. There's a few sites/bands that do it now... I think Kiss is another.

Only problem really is that one person will buy or a group of people will buy and 50 people will be copied... so they wouldn't make all that much.

CreepingDeath · #32 04-22-2005, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MacMan

My brother is or was into Metallica and on I think it was their last tour... They have this website strickly for downloading live shows. The whole tour was recorded and the whole tour was up for download... Think the cost was $10 bucks a show... you had the option of wav or mp3 download... Not sure, but I think it came with artwork too.... And you could have the show you were at about 2-3 days after. There's a few sites/bands that do it now... I think Kiss is another.

It was on Metallica's official site that you could download shows. I downloaded about 20.

How I wish Stevie/FM would do that. That will never happen though. Nevah!

David · #33 04-22-2005, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Nixxxed

I've seen an interview (somewhere) where she says something about "Gold and Braid" being one of the songs originally stolen & that it ended up being OK because people got to hear the song since it was booted from Bella Donna. Why else would she have performed it in concert?

Because it's a great song!

The songs that she told the Cleveland radio station were stolen were the songs somebody bootlegged on vinyl (Almanac) in 1979: Without You, Cathouse Blues, Goldfish & Ladybug, Sorcerer, Nomad, Watchdevil, etc.

catinthedark · #34 04-22-2005, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I truly stuggled with the demo issue after she said she resented people having them. But, I think that maybe if she knew the absolute JOY songs like Julia, The Dealer, Space Needle, The Tower, POTU, etc. provided me and I am very sure many, many others - she maybe would reconsider her position. .... In the end though, they are her songs and it is her right - period. I just think maybe the people around her do not let her know how much people really like those old demos and love her work. ...I just wanted to point out that none that I know download them with derision. In fact, it usually is with glee and excitement because it is further insight into one of the greatest performers and songwriter of their time - I certainly feel this way. Anyway, that is my $0.02 offered in a friendly way and with no disrespect to Stevie

I really agree with your points here. I have to say, I felt like crap after I read Sharon and Lori's answers. And I knew what they were going to say (in fact, I sent questions to both of them about the demos and leaks, too). I would love to actually be able to sit down and explain to Stevie why we love these demos so much, and how for many of us, they are our favourite songs - maybe because we know we are a select little group that is lucky enough to know them. I don't know. I've always wondered, if I was ever so lucky and honoured to meet Stevie, would I have the guts to bring it up? I don't know. I would love to tell her why some of them mean so much to me (two in particular), but I can understand her feeling of having her privacy violated. (sigh - still torn) I'm somewhat cheered by the Stevie quote Kelly posted, which seemed to sound like Stevie knows they're out there and has come to accept it.

A seperate question... do most other artists have this many demos and outtakes out there (not live shows)? I've never had any interest in checking out other atrists' fan sites. But are Stevie and Fleetwood Mac so unique? And if so - WHY??? That is the question that would interest me. Are Stevie/Lindsey/Fleetwood Mac fans so very different in their love and need for material?

dissention · #35 04-22-2005, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by catinthedark

A seperate question... do most other artists have this many demos and outtakes out there (not live shows)? I've never had any interest in checking out other atrists' fan sites. But are Stevie and Fleetwood Mac so unique? And if so - WHY??? That is the question that would interest me. Are Stevie/Lindsey/Fleetwood Mac fans so very different in their love and need for material?

It depends on the artist, really. A lot of the artists and bands that are my favorites have a good amount of demos/outtakes and general bootlegs out there, like David Bowie, Franz Ferdinand, Blondie, Bob Dylan, etc. From what I've seen, I'd say Stevie/Mac fans are pretty darn casual in terms of bootlegs when compared to Bowie fans. They are an obsessive lot, those ones.

blinker12 · #36 04-22-2005, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Kelly

As far as Stevie's boots..there have been too many leaks over the years. Honestly, the stolen tapes was a small part of this whole fiasco. There has to be someone continually leaking stuff for things like Thrown Down, Space Needle, My Heart, etc to keep being released. That is what is baffling to me. They claim they are so angry and it is so wrong and an invasion of privacy but why does it keep happening year after year? Plug up the holes if it bothers you that much.

I've wondered a lot about the sources of these leaks, too. I can tell you that Thrown Down (WOS) and My Heart came from some kind of German acetate version of TISL that was pressed before the album actually came out. The CD -- which as I understand it functioned as sort of preview for record company execs, producers and Stevie herself -- then got into fans' hands.

And we know the master reels came from the Modern warehouse.

But it perplexes me where Space Needle and other recent demos come from. The only thing I can figure is that Stevie or one of her associates makes CDs of the songs to give to her producers or session musicians when she's working on an album. Those CDs then somehow get out into the world. But I'd love to know the exact backstory. Maybe SaraRhiannon or some other expert could shed some light?

Johnny Stew · #37 04-22-2005, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention

I grumble because I don't want to hear songs that were written years ago, I want current work.

You grumble like you think it's your job.

As someone who complains almost endlessly about her new songs, I would think you'd be happy when she includes some tracks from the time-period that you feel produced her best writing.

I've always enjoyed the mix of old and new on each album. Stevie has some brilliant songs in her vaulted catalog, and I think they deserve to see the light of the day anytime she's ready for them to.

dissention · #38 04-22-2005, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

You grumble like you think it's your job.

As someone who complains almost endlessly about her new songs, I would think you'd be happy when she includes some tracks from the time-period that you feel produced her best writing.

Nope, I don't want the good ones to be ruined by her current voice. Write some new stuff. And put Space Needle on an album because I said so.

Johnny Stew · #39 04-22-2005, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention

Nope, I don't want the good ones to be ruined by her current voice. Write some new stuff. And put Space Needle on an album because I said so.

Would you say that when you want something, you get it?

So far, I've loved every new recording of an old demo or outtake far better than the original version.

My only disappointment regarding any of them, is how badly I missed Lindsey's harmony vocal on "Candlebright."
Oh, and I do miss some of the vocal layering on "Running Through The Garden"... but, at the same time, I think they were smart to tighten it up, as the outtake version gets really sloppy towards the end.

SaraRhiannon · #40 04-22-2005, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by blinker12

But it perplexes me where Space Needle and other recent demos come from. The only thing I can figure is that Stevie or one of her associates makes CDs of the songs to give to her producers or session musicians when she's working on an album. Those CDs then somehow get out into the world. But I'd love to know the exact backstory. Maybe SaraRhiannon or some other expert could shed some light?

Aw, I'm far from an expert! I really don't know how these things get leaked. The TISL demos first surfaced on eBay in 2001. They were two separate CD's:

-Trouble in Shangri-La demos/outtakes 6-15-99: Candlebright (Sheryl Crow rough mix 5-27-99), Sorcerer (Sheryl Crow rough mix 5-27-99), Thrown Down #1, Thrown Down #2, Space Needle, Love Is (solo demo), Bombay Sapphires (solo demo), Not Make Believe, Trouble in Shangri-La (demo), Have No Heart, Planets of the Universe (5-23-99)

-Trouble in Shangri-La demos/outtakes 8-4-99: Planets of the Universe (8-2-99), Annabel Lee, Fall From Grace (demo), Love Changes (demo), That Made Me Stronger (demo)

I bought the first one, and I believe Daniel (stevienicks.info) bought the other one.

Last year, some people got an email from a mystery person who wanted to share "Chanel, Chanel" through a Yahoo group. I don't know who he was, or how he chose the people he emailed. He did send the song to me, and allowed me to post it for download. He also claimed to have a long rehearsal version of "Trouble in Shangri-La" that he was planning on sending, but he never did. The Yahoo group was deleted, and I never heard from him again.

Years ago, a woman contacted me for a trade, saying she had some stuff that she knew I didn't have. She was right, and they were songs that weren't yet in circulation (Night Gallery, Rock a Bye Baby, an alternate version of Impossible Task, and a clear version of Ooh Baby). She said that she used to work for Paul Fishkin, so I figured that's how she got her hands on the demos. Ever since then, I've assumed that a lot of the unreleased stuff is leaked (either purposely or accidentally) by people associated with Stevie, or by people who have access to those people. It just makes the most sense.

gldstwmn · #41 04-22-2005, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by EnchantedSLN

That, or she simply underestimated her fan community and never imagined people would actually go to the trouble of getting all those old reels baked, transferred, and out into the light of day.

Then girlfriend underestimated us. We are, her fans, after all.

Is there any love there? Oh honey!