The Girls Light Em Up on Unreleased Versions

[dissention]

Originally Posted by David

It's pretty clear now just what that whole camp thinks of all the demos leaking. I can't say it's much of a surprise. Don't most pop singers & bands hate it when their demos leak?

Miss Nicks wouldn't have the rabid fan base she currently has if it wasn't for those demos and unreleased songs. She should be grateful that someone leaked 'em. I know if I was a famous musician or just getting my feet on the gorund int he music industry, I'd circulate my own demos and other such ****. It would be too rewarding in terms of fan loyalty not to.

[LiquidBlue5000]

Originally Posted by thepoetinmyhear

Well, now I want to hear their response to a question asking how they feel about people booting live shows. Anyone already asked?

Same here!! someone should ask that.... very curious as to what their response would be..

[dissention]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

I just find it laughable when fans grumble that Stevie used an "old song" on one of her new albums, when, by all rights, we never should have heard those songs in the first place.

I grumble because I don't want to hear songs that were written years ago, I want current work. Even if it results in sludge like That Made Me Stronger.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by Kelly

As far as Stevie's boots..there have been too many leaks over the years. Honestly, the stolen tapes was a small part of this whole fiasco. There has to be someone continually leaking stuff for things like Thrown Down, Space Needle, My Heart, etc to keep being released. That is what is baffling to me. They claim they are so angry and it is so wrong and an invasion of privacy but why does it keep happening year after year? Plug up the holes if it bothers you that much.

The Stevie Nicks camp leaks them on purpose because they know how wild her fanbase is about them and it keeps them interested. I've thought so for years.

[LiquidBlue5000]

Originally Posted by dissention

I grumble because I don't want to hear songs that were written years ago, I want current work. Even if it results in sludge like That Made Me Stronger.

ugh.. don't get me started on that song

[MacMan]

The Stevie Nicks camp leaks them on purpose because they know how wild her fanbase is about them and it keeps them interested. I've thought so for years.

I think you are on the money with that statement. Aside from the Masters which we know came from a clearing out of the Modern Records warehouse when the label folded... I always thought that someone close to her was leaking some of the demos... and doing it on purpose... I mean it's quite brilliant if you think about it, and if it's true... It's kept me interested for years - not by continually listening to them, but continually trying to get them knowing they exsist.!

[dissention]

Originally Posted by MacMan

I think you are on the money with that statement. Aside from the Masters which we know came from a clearing out of the Modern Records warehouse when the label folded... I always thought that someone close to her was leaking some of the demos... and doing it on purpose... I mean it's quite brilliant if you think about it, and if it's true... It's kept me interested for years - not by continually listening to them, but continually trying to get them knowing they exsist.!

Just look at the masters, though. They were alerted about them and did nothing. It's not like they didn't think the fans would get them and circulate them. Those demos and bootlegs are very responsible for giving her such a rabid fan base, who knows where she'd be right now without them.

[MacMan]

Just look at the masters, though. They were alerted about them and did nothing.

That's true... But possibly they weren't given all the information to make a proper choice... and maybe the person(s) alerting them that they were going up for auction didn't realize what was all there to begin with so that they could make the argument that she HAD to get these back or else. And wasn't Stevie's camp asked to buy them back or something and they refused saying they had copies of their own? I don't know.. that whole thing was really weird, but goes to show what can happen.

[Nixxxed]

I've seen an interview (somewhere) where she says something about "Gold and Braid" being one of the songs originally stolen & that it ended up being OK because people got to hear the song since it was booted from Bella Donna. Why else would she have performed it in concert?

As far as having copies of unreleased songs & demos -- I never buy them. But I WOULD buy them, from HER, if she released them. Say, if there were limited-edition discs that were offered to fans after the release of each album, containing that album's demos, outtakes, etc. Or if she put together a boxed set, as I've suggested via The Nicksfix about 10 times now. Strangely, my question never gets answered.

NOTE: I was gonna say the limited-edition discs/boxed sets should be offered through The Nicksfix or through a *REAL* SN Fan Club, but I really wouldn't want either of those parties involved. *sigh*

[EnchantedSLN]

Originally Posted by MacMan

But possibly they weren't given all the information to make a proper choice... and maybe the person(s) alerting them that they were going up for auction didn't realize what was all there to begin with so that they could make the argument that she HAD to get these back or else. And wasn't Stevie's camp asked to buy them back or something and they refused saying they had copies of their own? I don't know.. that whole thing was really weird, but goes to show what can happen.

Right, but his point is, if Stevie was concerned about those masters getting into the hands of the fans, she could have re-obtained them just to keep them from being circulated, regardless of whether or not she had her own safety copies elsewhere. The fact that she didn't suggests she wasn't all that worried about people hearing them. If I remember correctly, the whole auction only went for a few thousand dollars. A lot for us, but spare change for Stevie or the record/management company protecting her interests. Perhaps, as you say, the person who originally sold them didn't give cough up all the info or go to great lengths to contact Stevie and her camp, but several fans also tried contacting Stevie through her management and various other means, including John Kinney. At that point all the info was there on the auction page. The responses all seemed to be along the lines of 'Yeah, we know. Thanks.' Maybe there's something we don't know or perhaps Stevie was never told about it afterall. If she was, the idea that she's very upset over her unfinished material being passed around doesn't really hold water, though. That, or she simply underestimated her fan community and never imagined people would actually go to the trouble of getting all those old reels baked, transferred, and out into the light of day.

[desertangel]

Originally Posted by dissention

The Stevie Nicks camp leaks them on purpose because they know how wild her fanbase is about them and it keeps them interested. I've thought so for years.

Agreed. And creating additional drama by speaking so strongly against such practices, yet not following up with any action to stop what's out there... dare I say it? You can all blame me if it all suddenly dries up.


Laura

[HejiraNYC]

Originally Posted by dissention

The Stevie Nicks camp leaks them on purpose because they know how wild her fanbase is about them and it keeps them interested. I've thought so for years.

I would agree with you... but come on... why would someone intentionally leak an absolute turd like "Lily Girl"?

[dissention]

Originally Posted by HejiraNYC

I would agree with you... but come on... why would someone intentionally leak an absolute turd like "Lily Girl"?

Why would someone intentionally record and officially release That Made Me Stronger?

[xxxmx]

if they're so upset that the demos are being passed around, why don't they try and cut in on it. i've long thought that every band should boot their own shows and post them on their website for download for... $5 maybe? even if they charged $1 per download, can you imagine? doesn't MAC boot them all anyways? it would only generate money as the only cost to the band would be upoading that file and covering bandwidth. you know we'd all spend $1 on a show. i understand that not every show is spectacular in quality, but who cares? hey FM, stop being self-conscious and make some cash... same thing could go with the demos. clean up the static and post it.

anyone remember when pearl jam booted their tour and then sold them, real cds, nothing fabulous, but how cool was it to have that souvenir.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by EnchantedSLN

That, or she simply underestimated her fan community and never imagined people would actually go to the trouble of getting all those old reels baked, transferred, and out into the light of day.

By now, if she's underestimating her fans, she's a dunce. She has fans that dress up as her and follow her around on tour, fans that make their living off of her (I'm lookin' at you, Babs), fans that bring her Tiffany lamps at shows, and once had a fan that thought her magical powers could cure him of his homosexuality. Transferring master reels that she abandoned and trading them around is the very least she should expect!