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dissention · #**136** 04-02-2005, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

No it is just that you have admitted taking joy in purposefully picking on people's religion rather that showing religious people any respect.

Context is a wonderful thing. Go find the thread where we had that discussion and link to it so that people can read it if you want to bring it up, dear. Your summary oversimplified what I said.

strandinthewind · #**137** 04-02-2005, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention

Context is a wonderful thing. Go find the thread where we had that discussion and link to it so that people can read it if you want to bring it up, dear. Your summary oversimplified what I said.

I am so not wasting my time doing that. But you can feel free to.

In any event, if what I said is 100% untrue, you can always state so now

dissention · #**138** 04-02-2005, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I am so not wasting my time doing that. But you can feel free to.

Nope, I'm all set. I wasted enough time searching through the Pope thread to see where people were "beating" on him and your claim turned out to be unfounded.

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

In any event, if what I said is 100% untrue, you can always state so now

Not untrue, just misleading in the context in which you said it. If I recall correctly, Hillary began a discussion about when it was okay to disrespect people who didn't warrant any respect and I said something along the lines of it isn't okay to disrespect anyone, but we're all human and we all do it. I used an example of when people try to shove God down my throat, I sometimes say things that are very disrespectful to them regarding their religious beliefs.

strandinthewind · #**139** 04-02-2005, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention

Nope, I'm all set. I wasted enough time searching through the Pope thread to see where people were "beating" on him and your claim turned out to be unfounded.

When I read that thread initially, I took some of the comments to be mean spirited. Once people explained that they were not, I apologized for the misinterpretation. So, nice try.

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Originally Posted by dissention

Not untrue, just misleading in the context in which you said it. If I recall correctly, Hillary began a discussion about when it was okay to disrespect people who didn't warrant any respect and I said something along the lines of it isn't okay to disrespect anyone, but we're all human and we all do it. I used an example of when people try to shove God down my throat, I sometimes say things that are very disrespectful to them regarding their religious beliefs.

Actually, I remember you were more general than that. But, since neither one of us wants to look it up - so be it. Personally, I think if you knew you were correct here, you would look it up in a heartbeat

dissention · #**140** 04-02-2005, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

When I read that thread initially, I took some of the comments to be mean spirited. Once people explained that they were not, I apologized for the misinterpretation. So, nice try.

Well, there's nothing I can say to that. If I was going to meanspirited about the Pope, I wouldn't have bit my tongue so hard in that thread. Instead, for once, I took the high road.

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Actually, I remember you were more general than that. But, since neither one of us wants to look it up - so be it. Personally, I think if you knew you were correct here, you would look it up in a heartbeat

More general? Hardly. I said the exact same thing.

"Feelings and actions of disrespect depend entirely on the person and the situation. I can be quite disrespectful, I'd never attempt to say otherwise. There are times when people get on my goat so much that I actively try to disrespect them. Take religious people, for example. I have such a disdain for religion that when people talk to me about it or tell them how they'll pray to God for this or that, sometimes I'll take glee in offending them. But I'm only human and I'm not perfect."

Happy, dear? I think it would be as offensive as you make it out to be if I hadn't acknowledged such behavior as wrong and disrespectful. But I suppose you only remember what you want to remember.

dissention · #**141** 04-02-2005, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Lux

I'm not sure if this is what you guys are talking about but the accusation I was referrering to was from post 134 and then 138 of this thread. Is this the reference you're arguing over or am I completely missing something?

Nope. He's talking about a thread from a month ago where I said that when people get all up in my face with their godspeak (which I find to be disrespectful), I'll be disrespectful back to them. Doesn't make it right by any means, but at least I can recognize such behavior within myself.

strandinthewind · #**142** 04-02-2005, 07:17 PM

In the statement

"Feelings and actions of disrespect depend entirely on the person and the situation. I can be quite disrespectful, I'd never attempt to say otherwise. There are times when people get on my goat so much that I actively try to disrespect them. Take religious people, for example. I have such a disdain for religion that when people talk to me about it or tell them how they'll pray to God for this or that, sometimes I'll take glee in offending them. But I'm only human and I'm not perfect."

you hardly limit your glee to people shoving God down your throat as you suggested earlier in this thread. Rather, you specifically refer to a generic "religious people," your disdain for "religion," and that you take "glee" in offending people who merely "talk to me about it or tell them how they'll pray to God for this or that" - that is not the same thing as shoving their God down your throat

strandinthewind · #**143** 04-02-2005, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention

Nope. He's talking about a thread from a month ago where I said that when people get all up in my face with their godspeak (which I find to be disrespectful), I'll be disrespectful back to them. Doesn't make it right by any means, but at least I can recognize such behavior within myself.

Well, the larger point was related to the narrowminded comment.

GateandGarden · #**144** 04-02-2005, 07:23 PM

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Exactly. We're narrow-minded because we don't entertain the possibility that there's a supreme being that created us all.

I'm all tuckered out from debating all of this but wanted to point one thing out. Spirituality is not all about the possibility of the existence of a supreme being. For me personally, it certainly isn't all about that, and I wish you wouldn't oversimplify it.

strandinthewind · #**145** 04-02-2005, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by GateandGarden

I'm all tuckered out from debating all of this but wanted to point one thing out. Spirituality is not all about the possibility of the existence of a supreme being. For me personally, it certainly isn't all about that, and I wish you wouldn't oversimplify it.

He cannot. As he just reiterated, he has a general disdain for religion - apparently all of it

- which is his right.

Also, I agree that organized religion is not spirituality - though they can coexist, albeit rarely so IMO.

GateandGarden · #**146** 04-02-2005, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

In the statement

"Feelings and actions of disrespect depend entirely on the person and the situation. I can be quite disrespectful, I'd never attempt to say otherwise. There are times when people get on my goat so much that I actively try to disrespect them. Take religious people, for example. I have such a disdain for religion that when people talk to me about it or tell them how they'll pray to God for this or that, sometimes I'll take glee in offending them. But I'm only human and I'm not perfect."

you hardly limit your glee to people shoving God down your throat as you suggested earlier in this thread. Rather, you specifically refer to a generic "religious people," your disdain for "religion," and that you take "glee" in offending people who merely "talk to me about it or tell them how they'll pray to God for this or that" - that is not the same thing as shoving their God down your throat

I don't know why I'm getting into this, but I have to say that I agree with Jason. In reference to that particular quote, I think it's very unfair to "religious people" in general, as we all know they are not all the same. And some people do not mean to condescend when they discuss their beliefs. It's a long way from, "I believe such and such" to "I need you to see the absolute truth."

strandinthewind · #**147** 04-02-2005, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by GateandGarden

I don't know why I'm getting into this, . . .

"RUN FOR YOU LIFE" Mad Hatter

GateandGarden · #**148** 04-02-2005, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

He cannot. As he just reiterated, he has a general disdain for religion - apparently all of it

- which is his right.

Also, I agree that organized religion is not spirituality - though they can coexist, albeit rarely so IMO.

Well, I personally don't approve of organized religion, but there are a lot of people who are Christians and spiritual people on this board who don't actually participate in organized religion. All of that being said, it is his right to hate religion as you said, so I don't want to act like I have all the answers and I think he needs to change, because I don't think that much of myself. I just think he's oversimplifying a lot of things.

GateandGarden · #**149** 04-02-2005, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

"RUN FOR YOU LIFE" Mad Hatter

DrummerDeanna · #**150** 04-02-2005, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by GateandGarden

I don't know why I'm getting into this, but I have to say that I agree with Jason. In reference to that particular quote, I think it's very unfair to "religious people" in general, as we all know they are not all the same. And some people do not mean to condescend when they discuss their beliefs. It's a long way from, "I believe such and such" to "I need you to see the absolute truth."

Hm...had to step away from the Ledge for a while at work...but I really enjoyed these last few posts....I agree with you and Jason....good stuff being said...

I realize that there are people who have a real disdain for religion - any religion....and I totally understand that there are some wacked out Christians (and members of other religions) around...and they're going around giving us a bad name....but that exists in any group.

I've said that before though....but it's true - I've met some mean and hateful atheists...I don't hate ALL atheists or atheism as a result