Terri Schiavo: Please explain something to me... - Page 18

Dreammms · #**256** 03-27-2005, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by GypsySorcerer

Most seem to agree that she isn't feeling anything. I hope this is true. I can't imagine knowing that you're in the middle of a power struggle between your husband and parents and are being used as a political pawn.

That's another thing. Imagine she really can feel and she knows what's going on. How sad!

SuzeQuze · #**257** 03-27-2005, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

That is a factually incorrect statement. The trial court judge based his decision on proof and that decision has been upheld many times by many courts. Interestingly, though I have not reqd the trial transcript, I do not think her parents presented any proof that she wanted to live other than those videos which, though heartbreaking to watch because although there but for the Grace of God go I, all qualified medical experts conclude the expressions she makes do not indicate anything other than q persistent veg. state; i.e. she is unaware of anything and the tiny fraction of her brain that is left is her is operating her basic life support systems which reaquire no conscious effort.

In the end, no malfeasance on the part of the husband has been demonstrated other than in false innuendo. Thus, Florida law dictates that he has the final say. Regardless, it still makes great fodder for the R party to use to feed the anti-liberal movement seen of late. Thus, therein is the political interest.

Finally, I read where her husaqnd was offered a million dollars by a private party and the ability to keep any remaining money currently used to care for her if he relinquished his rights to the parents. He declined. That to me suggests his interests are not pecuniary as suggested

Ahh, welcome back Jason. Thanks for this post.

There's so much misinformation surrounding this case that it is scary. Randi was discussing it with a caller and she informed that caller that no judge has ever ruled against Michael Schiavo, they have all ruled to remove the feeding tube. All 16 judges in 23 separate instances.

strandinthewind · #**258** 03-27-2005, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by ShangriLaTroubl

How can some neurologists claim that she is not in a PVS if she is ? It makes no sense. This seems like a diagnosis that could not be argued. How hard is it to tell? Seems like to me they could just hook her brain up to something, and be able to tell..
I guess we will never know on some of these things...I just think maybe they should have left the tube in long enough for some last investigations , and said OK HEY , we are going to make sure 100% of these things that need to be investigated first...and we arent going to take 15 yrs..we are gonna do it NOW.. There's too many discrepencies to make this 100% certain.

Chris

From what I have seen, no medical doctor, save the right wing whores, have concluded she is not in a PVS. There were calls for other tests, but some would have required flying here to New York to perform it and the medical experts agree these tests will merely confirm the PVS and the parents and their supporters have stated that even if new tests confirm the PVS, they still will fight not to have the feeding tube removed. But, all of that is subterfuge, the bottom line is a court ruled based on a plethora of credible medical and other evidence that she did not want to live like this and many different courts have found nothing wrong with that decision. Thus, I say following her intent is the correct thing to do

strandinthewind · #**259** 03-27-2005, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by SuzeQuze

Ahh, welcome back Jason. Thanks for this post.

There's so much misinformation surrounding this case that it is scary. Randi was discussing it with a caller and she informed that caller that no judge has ever ruled against Michael Schiavo, they have all ruled to remove the feeding tube. All 16 judges in 23 separate instances.

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strandinthewind · #**260** 03-27-2005, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Dreammms

What proof is there? The judge is just going by what Michael says Terri said.

Haven't you guys ever said " I rather be dead than be like that"? How can you take a statement like that and turn that into what I want to be done god forbid I am in that situation?

That is proof under the law

Also, she said it to more than just him if I remember correctly

Also, why would someone say that (apparently repeatedly here) and not mean it

strandinthewind · #**261** 03-27-2005, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Dreammms

That's another thing. Imagine she really can feel and she knows what's going on. How sad!

I think they are giving her morphine on the outside chance what is left of her brain cqn process pain. This whole thing is just so sad and it really emphasizes the need for a living will, durable power of attorney, or whatever the state requires.

Dreammms · #**262** 03-27-2005, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Thus, I say following her intent is the correct thing to do

Well the judge and her husband made that her intent. There is no proof that that is what she wanted.

strandinthewind · #**263** 03-27-2005, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Dreammms

I totally agree with this.

This whole thing just really bothers me. I feel so bad for Terri.

There's so many conflicting stories in this case, that's the problems.

Some DR's say she is PVS and others say minimal conscious state.

Some nurses say Michael would come in and say "is that bitch dead yet"
Some nurses say he was the most caring person for his wife.

There is also the fact of the broken bones. Others says that Michael had access to insulin. Others say it's fishy that he wants her cremated right away.

Regarding the conflicting medical opinions, I am cynical because I and probably every other trial lawyer out there knows medical opinions can be bought. I think the most telling are the ind. ones, all of which conclude it is a PVS. Interestingly, when confronted, the opposing, pro-life doctors I have seen cannot explain how the objective medical evidence supports their decision - they merely refer to people with other similiar conditions who have gotten better.

strandinthewind · #**264** 03-27-2005, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Dreammms

Well the judge and her husband made that her intent. There is no proof that that is what she wanted.

I think we are talking about two different things. I am talking about legal proof, which is what was required of the husband. Based on the lack of a direct stqtement from her, he showed his experiences and the experiences of others, all of which showed she did not want to live this way. That was all that was legally required and that is all I an talking about

Dreammms · #**265** 03-27-2005, 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

That is proof under the law

Also, she said it to more than just him if I remember correctly

Also, why would someone say that (apparently repeatedly here) and not mean it

The people she told were her husband and her husbands family. Why not tell her family and friends?

I understand what you are saying but I still don't think that Michael's word is proof enough.

strandinthewind · #**266** 03-27-2005, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Dreammms

That's another thing. Imagine she really can feel and she knows what's going on. How sad!

Based on the evidence, she seemingly would feel relieved knowing her intentions were seeing their fruition.

It is somewhat beyond me how people automatically assume she wants to live like this. I think most people would not.

strandinthewind · #**267** 03-27-2005, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Lux

I haven't been following this thread in particular so perhaps I'm not properly informed to judge however the one thing this has done is encourage people to state their wishes or write wills. I'm yet to hear anyone follow this by saying they have stated they would wish to remain alive in this state.

Surely they exist and that is their choice. But, I agree, I have never heard anyone say they would want to live this way and in fact have done many a document stating that they did not want to live.

ontheEdgeof17 · #**268** 03-27-2005, 01:15 AM

I just think it is ironic that it was an eating disorder that put Terri in this state to start with.

strandinthewind · #**269** 03-27-2005, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by ontheEdgeof17

I just think it is ironic that it was an eating disorder that put Terri in this state to start with.

I know - I thought that too

This case is just so hard because people do not believe the husband IMO based mostly on lies created to discredit him. This happens all of the time in the legal world - For example - many divorce Petitions contqin conpletely false charges put there to make fiction reality. But, I digress - in this case and as previously mentioned, there are people other than the husband ready willing and able to care for her, so why not let her live the one or two years she may have left even though that very well could be against what the court found she wanted.

gldstwmn · #**270** 03-27-2005, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Lux

I haven't been following this thread in particular so perhaps I'm not properly informed to judge however the one thing this has done is encourage people to state their wishes or write wills. I'm yet to hear anyone follow this by saying they have stated they would wish to remain alive in this state.

Nancy Grace did.