How would we feel? - Page 2

Gailh · #16 03-10-2005, 03:39 AM

Lots of very interesting responses.

I think it seems to be coming down to whether you can separate someone's behaviour from their music and also whether with something so horrible as child abuse you should even try.

I once owned a Gary Glitter CD (British Glam Rock star of the 70's) - it was just a phase OK? when he was convicted of downloading child porn I threw it away. Actually the music was so dire I should have thrown it away for that reason alone!

Thanks for all your answers.

Gail

Kelly · #17 03-10-2005, 08:00 AM

Interesting topic. I did think about this, in length, several years ago when Waddy Wachtel was rumoured to have child porn on his computer. I started thinking about Stevie and how I would feel about her if she kept Waddy on **if** he was guilty. (which he was NOT...btw) It did make me think about the band members and what I would do if any of them were ever involved in a crime like that......I guess I would want to know all the facts. I do not think I would judge them based on what the news media told me about the situation...I would want to know the real deal, as in what the investigation found. If any of them was ever proven to have harmed a child...I would lose all respect and probably never be able to listen to their music again without associating it to the event.

Mari · #18 03-10-2005, 10:29 AM

There have been some accusations about LB being violent to Stevie and/or Carol Ann Harris. Whether they're true or not (I guess we'll never know completely), when I first heard about those things I did feel quite disappointed. I find that a lot more serious than owning drugs or firearms, but nowhere near to child molestation though..
I can separate music from people but still, it get's a different ring, doesn't it? Songs seem meaningful, you think you feel a connection to the artist, and then that person turns out to be not quite what you thought he was.
I wouldn't be like those jacko-fans who stand by him whatever, though. I can like the music, but whatever the artist does as a person, that's his responsibility.

dissention · #19 03-10-2005, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by DrummerDeanna

Like I wouldn't see the movie Powder because one of the producers or something was supposedly convited of child molestation??

OMG, that made me SICK. Truly disgusting. It's the same guy that directed Jeeper Creepers, too.

dissention · #20 03-10-2005, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

When someone intentionally and willfully harms a child, they're dead to me.
It's the one thing I find absolutely unforgivable. No ifs, ands, or buts.

So that would apply to anyone in Fleetwood Mac, too.

Ditto.

No one that harms a child will ever get a red cent from me.

amber · #21 03-10-2005, 11:23 AM

That director only served 15 months...

dissention · #22 03-10-2005, 11:27 AM

I can't believe his movie Clownhouse is still in print. The kid he molested is the star of it and it's an incredibly disturbing movie because he constantly films the kids ass and lingers on him with his shirt off and the like. What a disgusting individual. I can only imagine the humiliation and pain that kid endures to this day.

Miss Vicky · #23 03-10-2005, 11:49 AM

If one of the members of Fleetwood Mac were accused and convicted of such a crime, I don't think I could remain a fan. The thought of what they had done would be in the back of my mind whenever I hear any of their work.

I can say this with quite a bit of confidence because that's what happens whenever I hear or see a picture of Chuck Berry. All that goes through my mind is the thought of those disgusting tapes he had from the women's bathroom in his restaurant. And I get the same feeling with Michael Jackson or for that matter, when I hear "Rock and Roll part 2" by Gary Glitter (who was found in posession of child pornography).

Politics and personal life are one thing. I don't care what a person's political beliefs are, nor do I care who they get in bed with, what drugs they take, or whatever. Weapons posession, unruly behavior, even physical fighting I can overlook. Any sort of sexual crime, however, is just too utterly disgusting to turn a blind eye to no matter how much I may love an artist's work.

DrummerDeanna · #24 03-10-2005, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention

OMG, that made me SICK. Truly disgusting. It's the same guy that directed Jeeper Creepers, too.

Ugh - yet another reason not to go near that movie..I should be more vigilant in what he's involved in because I also refuse to contribute any money to anyone who perpetrates a crime against a child....

sicko.

skcin · #25 03-10-2005, 02:57 PM

If it was one of the main members, I'm not sure what I'd do. Probably listen to their old stuff, but not continue to support them by purchasing merchandise, new material or concert tix. I certainly would not hang around outside the courthouse screaming like a lunatic.

In the case of supporting band members (like when Waddy was accused of the computer thing) that's a bit different. Why would I stop seeing/supporting Stevie just because one of her friends/employees/band members is evil? (I'm not implying that Waddy is evil. As Kelly mentioned, it was unfounded. It's just an example.) Maybe if Stevie was onstage yelling about how she loves that person & they're just misunderstood blah blah blah, then I might be pissed.

GateandGarden · #26 03-10-2005, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DrummerDeanna

Well - I have no problem separating political views etc....but child molestation!?! that's a pretty severe thing....and I don't think I could separate that....

I mean Loretta Lynn is a Republican ....great goo for her - I don't care, I love her music....but if she started molesting children...I'd totally have a problem with that...

I feel the same way. I love Reba McEntire and Sara Evans and other country music singers that are Republicans and it's easy for me to separate those things and make it all about the music. Child molestation is a different issue. I don't know how I would feel other than utterly disappointed if I knew that someone in FM was guilty of that. I know that I would be one of the last to believe the charges. If it came down to it that we had enough proof to know that it happened, then I imagine I wouldn't be able to listen to the music any longer. I would be thinking about what he or she has done too much to enjoy it. As Victoria already explained, there are some things one can easily overlook or learn to overlook, but that really isn't one of them, IMO.

Serrart · #27 03-10-2005, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

When someone intentionally and willfully harms a child, they're dead to me.
It's the one thing I find absolutely unforgivable. No ifs, ands, or buts.

So that would apply to anyone in Fleetwood Mac, too.

I totally agree.

Romy

MikeVielhaber · #28 03-12-2005, 12:24 AM

so far it looks to me like the prosecution is a bunch of money hungry liars and their case is getting blown away. and although I'm much a fan of MJ's music I want the truth to come out be it guilty or innocent. That being said.....I just think he's not a very smart person and he puts himself in bad situations but I think he's innocent of the alleged crimes.