Fleetwood Mac's Best Produced Song

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by amber

mmmkay, whatev. I only got all three recently, I guess she could've "dropped the ball" or whatever, but judging now, with all four in hand at once, that's how I feel. The first 4 songs of Wild Heart bore me to tears, and I haven't listened to BD as much, but that's because when I did, i was bored. Except, of course, BD has 2 of my faves of all time, EO17 and SDMHA - It could grow on me, but RAL and OSOTM grew on me first. Cause I liked them better. Cause they have beats. mmmm, beats.

Ewwww, beets, or beats. Don't care much for either! Amber, BD is a masterpiece! Don't NOT listen to it because it's not a dance record. I'm SURE Stevie will admit it's her masterpiece. It's a well written, cohesive, So Cal rock album. It holds it's own with Rumours and Hotel California, IMO.
Oh, for a time machine!

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by henryscutter

I'll be polite too and won't say anything about an old farts opinion

Good, I've already heard enough about you!

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

Christine's never had an OSOTM. My gawd, that thing sucks....

But one could say that Christine's also never had a 'Bella Donna,' a 'Wild Heart' or a 'Trouble In Shangri-La.'

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

Odd you're equating my fandom with Christine, and not Lindsey....

You seem to be a bit more vocal in your love of Christine than you are in your love of Lindsey. At times I've actually thought you only liked him about two notches above Stevie.

Besides, it's not about who any of us loves "more" or "less"... I was just trying to keep things fair by responding to the "pandering to the masses" criticism.

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

Lindsey's a freak, and I love him for that!

As do I.

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

Perhaps my frustration lies more with how even Stevie's CRAP is worshipped over FAR more artistic contributions by Lindsey and Christine.

But then that's hardly Stevie's fault, is it? A larger portion of Fleetwood Mac's audience seemed to connect with Stevie's songs, and they followed her over to her solo career, where she also picked up additional fans.

She lost some folks over the years, and gained some folks. Her popularity ebbed and flowed.
But she maintained a pretty solid core audience who are not of the "fair-weather fan" variety.
If there are a few songs or albums in there that they don't care for, they don't just cast Stevie aside and look for something else to hold their attention.

And, again, "crap" is all subjective.
It seems to me that a song is only "crap" if we can't figure out why other people like it, when we don't.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

But one could say that Christine's also never had a 'Bella Donna,' a 'Wild Heart' or a 'Trouble In Shangri-La.'

I've never heard TISL, but I will grant you the BD, you Chiffonhead!

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

You seem to be a bit more vocal in your love of Christine than you are in your love of Lindsey. At times I've actually thought you only liked him about two notches above Stevie.

Where have I dogged him? As for Christine, I'm her sworn protector... Don't **** with CM!!!!

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

But then that's hardly Stevie's fault, is it? A larger portion of Fleetwood Mac's audience seemed to connect with Stevie's songs, and they followed her over to her solo career, where she also picked up additional fans.

She lost some folks over the years, and gained some folks. Her popularity ebbed and flowed.
But she maintained a pretty solid core audience who are not of the "fair-weather fan" variety.
If there are a few songs or albums in there that they don't care for, they don't just cast Stevie aside and look for something else to hold their attention.

But WON'T you admit that her fans seem MUCH more forgiving of......some... subpar material?

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

And, again, "crap" is all subjective.
It seems to me that a song is only "crap" if we can't figure out why other people like it, when we don't.

Crap is where you compare The Highwayman to something off OSOTM(I've not heard it since it came out, so I can't remember any titles!)

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

(Shudder) Wow, Bella Donna was/is greatness......Wild Heart was darn good. IMO, the rest rolled straight downhill, like a 10 ton boulder! Look at the SALES. Do you think the public just "got over her"? Sales(IMO=duh) was indicative of the quality of the project. Especially riding the wave she was on. She dropped the ball, errrr, boulder.

I won't get into the "look at the sales" argument, because even Stevie's lowest selling albums have sold better than Lindsey & Christine's solo output.

So to say that Stevie's latter-day albums sold less because they were of a lesser quality, is to imply that Lindsey & Christine's albums were of an even lesser quality, based on their sales.
It's definitely an argument with dangerous implications all around.

We're also discussing a women who, for whatever it's worth, maintained a respectable level of success while suffering through setbacks and missteps that would have put the final nail in the coffin of many lesser talents.

Anyway, I've "walked down this road" many times before... just thought I'd make a couple of quick points (which, for me, "quick" always seems to be at least four paragraphs. ).

[amber]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

I've never heard TISL, but I will grant you the BD, you Chiffonhead!


Where have I dogged him? As for Christine, I'm her sworn protector... Don't **** with CM!!!!


But WON'T you admit that her fans seem MUCH more forgiving of......some... subpar material?


Crap is where you compare The Highwayman to something off OSOTM(I've not heard it since it came out, so I can't remember any titles!)

Oh, Homie. Suck my bun. I don't care much for Highwayman, BTW.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by amber

Oh, Homie. Suck my bun. I don't care much for Highwayman, BTW.

Okay. Sacrilege! See, here I am DEFENDING her. Oh, that Nicks broad is a two sided coin!
Love her, hate her, all in the same post!

[amber]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

Okay. Sacrilege! See, here I am DEFENDING her. Oh, that Nicks broad is a two sided coin!
Love her, hate her, all in the same post!

well, she's very complex.

[Johnny Stew]

Just a few quick responses.

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

I've never heard TISL, but I will grant you the BD, you Chiffonhead!

If "Chiffonhead" is being used in a derogatory way, then I'd like to think I'm more sophisticated in my tastes and more intelligent in my explanation of said tastes, than the connotations behind that nickname imply.

But if it's being used with affection, then I'll wear the little label proudly.

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

Where have I dogged him? As for Christine, I'm her sworn protector... Don't **** with CM!!!!

Not that you've dogged him necessarily... just that I've never noticed you being as vocal in your appreciation of his work, as you are regarding Christine's.
Plus, you seem to hate "Come" and "Murrow" and seem to have little-to-no affection for 'Say You Will'... which is half Lindsey, song-wise, and all Lindsey, production-wise (figuratively speaking).

So I didn't figure you hated him, I just figured Christine was at the top of the list, and Lindsey was somewhere higher than Stevie, but much lower than Chris.

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

But WON'T you admit that her fans seem MUCH more forgiving of......some... subpar material?

Forgiving, yes... but more forgiving than Christine & Lindsey's fans are of the same "sin"?
No, I don't believe that to be true.

I see quite a few Chris & Lindsey songs that your typical music lover might dismiss outright as being lame, goofy, boring, crappy, subpar, etc.... yet get praised to the high heavens by their fans (which I am most definitely including myself amongst).
We're fans... we like this music for a reason, and we're always going to like certain songs that would cause most other people to scratch their heads and question our sanity.

Stevie's fans may be louder in their defense of Stevie, because they seem to exist in higher numbers... but they're truly no more defensive or forgiving than Christine's or Lindsey's fans, when it comes right down to it.

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

Crap is where you compare The Highwayman to something off OSOTM(I've not heard it since it came out, so I can't remember any titles!)

"The Highwayman" is probably my least favorite song on 'Bella Donna'... I'd definitely take "Doing The Best That I Can" or "Ghosts" or probably even "Alice" over it.

Again, it's a matter of personal preference.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

Just a few quick responses.

Me, too. I'm too sleepy to answer much here.

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But if it's being used with affection, then I'll wear the little label proudly. [/QUOTE]

Well, I did the xoxo thing......duh!

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Not that you've dogged him necessarily... just that I've never noticed you being as vocal in your appreciation of his work, as you are regarding Christine's. [/QUOTE]

He HAS his own army of vocal supporters, that I need not....( so tired, my vocabulary is failing me now).....
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Plus, you seem to hate "Come" and "Murrow" and seem to have little-to-no affection for 'Say You Will'... which is half Lindsey, song-wise, and all Lindsey, production-wise (figuratively speaking).[/QUOTE]

Come is NOT a FM song. Murrow can slide as one. COME on! Do you REALLY think Come is a FM song? Tacky.

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So I didn't figure you hated him, I just figured Christine was at the top of the list, and Lindsey was somewhere higher than Stevie, but much lower than Chris.[/QUOTE]
Well, the order is correct, even if the levels are a tad askew.

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Stevie's fans may be louder in their defense of Stevie, because they seem to exist in higher numbers... [/QUOTE]

Nope. I maintain that she could fart in a microphone, and they'd love it.


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"The Highwayman" is probably my least favorite song on 'Bella Donna'... I'd definitely take "Doing The Best That I Can" or "Ghosts" or probably even "Alice" over it.[/QUOTE]

Wow. You and AMber are weird. Highwayman is great!

Again, it's a matter of personal preference. [/QUOTE]
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Indeed. Goodnight, Johnnystewboy. zzzzzzzz

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

I maintain that she could fart in a microphone, and they'd love it.

With all of the weird noises and "found sounds" Lindsey uses in his songs, I'm surprised HE hasn't farted into a microphone yet!
And, of course, it would be "art" if he did.

I've been on a 'Go Insane' kick lately, so I'll listen extra closely tonight, and let you know if I find anything!

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

Goodnight, Johnnystewboy. zzzzzzzz

Night, Homie!

PM me sometime soon and let me know how Cash is doing, ok? Been keeping you guys in my thoughts, and sending good vibes your way.

[PenguinHead]

Originally Posted by amber

Um, I like Mirage live Gypsy.... But then, I love stevie debauched and drawling.

Yeah!!! I'm with you! Rock on

[henryscutter]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

Good, I've already heard enough about you!

good comeback

[PenguinHead]

I find it funny and odd how some fans are so damn fickle. So an artist you like puts out an album you don't like....so you write them off entirely?? In the scope of an artist's career, you should allow them to make a few missteps (which are totally subjective).

For me, that's what makes it interesting. And often, as I've seen stated here many times, often the very songs/albums you initially depised/hated are the ones you come to love over time.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by amber

Way late, but I disagree on the one note thing. I thought she was very, uh...inventive on the notes in that version of Gypsy.

Yeah, she certainly invented notes we hadn't even heard before.