six month old baby lives - miracle for sure

[tynan88]

Wow ur really hardcore Brownie, this is just an amazing surgery and makes u want to step back and think, God or no God, great amazing miracles still happen in our world, and that is something to savour, and treasure, and remember in realising there is always hope in this small little world.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Originally Posted by tynan88

Wow ur really hardcore Brownie, this is just an amazing surgery and makes u want to step back and think, God or no God, great amazing miracles still happen in our world, and that is something to savour, and treasure, and remember in realising there is always hope in this small little world.

Very astute and nicely put observation; I would enjoy more posters like you, people who have actual compassion. And I do thank God everyday for small miracles such as this baby, which gives hope for the world.

[Miss Vicky]

Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

I never said that the surgeon shouldn't get credit, of course he should!

And ultimately dear, everything comes down to liberals vs. conservatives, it's the one constant right now in this country. Conservatives believe we were created in the image of God, liberals believe that they are god!

I think you generalize entirely too much and see the world through a set of blinders. Many liberals believe very much in God and are very devout in their chosen religion, but they also allow themselves something called individual thought - the questioning of what one is taught and to decide for one's self what is right and true and what isn't. This does not mean that they believe they are god.

If anyone on this board seems to have a "god complex" it's you. You spout all kinds of insults and nastiness and basically tell everybody who disagrees that they are evil and going to hell. You won't even consider anybody's opinion but your own because, being God, you are right and they should bend to such perfection in morals and character and see the light. It's complete and utter bull**** only you don't seem to realize it.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Originally Posted by Miss Vicky

I think you generalize entirely too much and see the world through a set of blinders. Many liberals believe very much in God and are very devout in their chosen religion, but they also allow themselves something called individual thought - the questioning of what one is taught and to decide for one's self what is right and true and what isn't. This does not mean that they believe they are god.

If anyone on this board seems to have a "god complex" it's you. You spout all kinds of insults and nastiness and basically tell everybody who disagrees that they are evil and going to hell. You won't even consider anybody's opinion but your own because, being God, you are right and they should bend to such perfection in morals and character and see the light. It's complete and utter bull**** only you don't seem to realize it.

I have never not once, not ever EVER EVER EVER said that anyone is "evil or going to hell" on this board! NEVER! I repeat, NEVER!

[Miss Vicky]

Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

I have never not once, not ever EVER EVER EVER said that anyone is "evil or going to hell" on this board! NEVER! I repeat, NEVER!

By constantly stating that abortion is murder and that anybody who is pro choice is basically guilty of murder, you are implying that they are in fact evil. My previous statement was ill-worded and I do apologize for that, but I don't take back the basic idea of what was said.

[tynan88]

Very astute and nicely put observation; I would enjoy more posters like you, people who have actual compassion. And I do thank God everyday for small miracles such as this baby, which gives hope for the world.

Thanks Brownie, it is not important to make an issue out of everything, jsut sit back for a moment, and think how great things are for you, it is important to help others BUT NOT if it means disadvantaging another human.

It is all well and good to have valid political debates but I don't think that it is fair, anyone should be demonised for their views, I am what in America would be considered a liberal, but you get nothing from a lot of pity squabbling.

[sara1998]

I'm glad this little one made it though. My daughter was 13 weeks early. She was 2 lbs. 12 oz., and in very good condition. Stories of prematurity always get my attention.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by Lux

Perhaps we should give credit to Buddha aswell . . . .

For the record, that would be fine with me as I think all of the theologies refer essentially to the same being and I do not expect anyone to see it like that, etc. Interestingly, I think if more Christians realized this, there wold be FAR more tolerance in the world - but instead all we seem to get is unless you follow Pat Robertson's version of the road to Heaven, which includes a $20 for him

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by tynan88

. . . I am what in America would be considered a liberal, but you get nothing from a lot of pity squabbling.

Well, that def. has moved significantly to the right and conservative has grown to mean an intolerant far religious right quasi radical :nos: I mean being a conservative is supposed to mean the less govt. intrusion in your life the better. Yet, under W, who falsely touts himself as a conservative, we have more govt. intrusion than ever and he advocates more; W also is the biggest borow and spend liberal I have ever scene - I mean trillions in debt in three years is just not conservative by any definition

[DrummerDeanna]

At the risk of sounding like "someone" on this board - I too enjoy little miracles such as this....and here's a news flash for said poster...some liberals actually believe in God

[WildInTheWind]

Originally Posted by DrummerDeanna

At the risk of sounding like "someone" on this board - I too enjoy little miracles such as this....and here's a news flash for said poster...some liberals actually believe in God

I do too....and I am very liberal and believe in a higher power.

[irishgrl]

I myself was a 24 week baby, I was 14 weeks premature, and in 1958, that was no small feat. I was born in the only hospital in Northern CA that had a preemie unit, and my mom and dad spent the first 24hours of my life keeping my heart going manually (its too hard to explain in words, but basically they had two fingers over two other fingers, pressing lightly on my chest to keep a steady rhythm) I was also born deaf but nobody knew because I was reading lips and talking (tho a bit LOUD ar ar). The first time anyone got a clue I couldnt hear was at my routine hearing test in kindergarten. I tell people I used to be brilliant. now I am just a former childhood prodigy. oh well.

anyway, Jason, I understood right away why you posted that article, the same exact point (heart the size of a grape) stood out to me....having been that small myself once upon a time (smaller even by one week!) I can appreciate the tremendous feat those surgeons accomplished.

as for the possibility that this might open up a door for pro-lifers to use, I can tell you that I was extremely lucky to have made it, and the fact that I was female was part of the reason (more preemie girls survive than males) but I know that it takes tremendous medical equipment, resources, personnel and money. I see these sorts of miracle stories being more along the lines of the exception rather than the rule regardless of how advanced our medicine becomes. It is just too expensive to deal with preemies on any large scale basis. Just my 2cents.

[SuzeQuze]

Originally Posted by WildInTheWind

I do too....and I am very liberal and believe in a higher power.

:jumpsonwagon: Me too!