Guilty Pleasures

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by dissention

No way, she dropped the key for RTTG and slowed it down. I'm convinced it was dropped because her voice couldn't handle it. And I think she droned in those video clips, she was especially wretched on Miranda and WTWCT. And if she can sing the vocals on the records, she shouldn't be using pro-tools.

She is not much lower in the MP3's I have. And - her voice very well may have not been able to handle it, but that does not mean she did not sing it on the record, which is what I thought you were saying when you talked about the studio fixes, etc.

Finally, show me one musician today who does not use pro tools, which she says they did not use interestingly enough.

[Miss Vicky]

Originally Posted by dissention

No way, she dropped the key for RTTG and slowed it down. I'm convinced it was dropped because her voice couldn't handle it. And I think she droned in those video clips, she was especially wretched on Miranda and WTWCT. And if she can sing the vocals on the records, she shouldn't be using pro-tools.

As much as I know its bad to have... umm... such things, I'm glad I have a copy of GOS... you know, the pristine versions of the songs before they were tainted with Stevie's less than great backing vocals.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Finally, show me one musician today who does not use pro tools, which she says they did not use interestingly enough.

She certainly utilized them on TISL, cripes. It hardly sounds like her.

As for other artists who don't use pro tools, the only ones I know of that don't use them are Aimee Mann and Bette Midler.

[Serrart]

Originally Posted by dissention

I don't attack her for losing her range, she did that to herself through years of abuse on her vocal chords. She never knew how to sing and that's what screwed it up. What I do attack her for are her lackluster performances due to her severely diminished range and matronly, immobile stage presence. If I don't think her performances are up to snuff, I'll say so. No one has any trouble complaining when they think Lindsey screams his songs or that his voice is piss-poor, it should be no different for Miss Nicks. It's all a matter of preference.

Freedom of expression, gotta love it . It's always a matter a preference, but how many times would you play the innuendo of the same song waiting for a choir? We're in the chit chat forum, in the guilty pleasures thread and I'm stuck in a deja vu. Be original, for once Dissention, please! J/K I know you can't.

Romy

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by Miss Vicky

As much as I know its bad to have... umm... such things, I'm glad I have a copy of GOS... you know, the pristine versions of the songs before they were tainted with Stevie's less than great backing vocals.

and LB's love of her being there and his statments that her tainting added to his work with his blessing

[DrummerDeanna]

Originally Posted by dissention

She certainly utilized them on TISL, cripes. It hardly sounds like her.

As for other artists who don't use pro tools, the only ones I know of that don't use them are Aimee Mann and Bette Midler.

Pro Tools sucks - actually it's not the worst out there - and it can do a lot - I didn't realize they use it in the music industry

[David]

Originally Posted by dissention

No way, she dropped the key for RTTG and slowed it down. I'm convinced it was dropped because her voice couldn't handle it.

Guys, remember that it's a lot different for singers when they sing in a controlled studio environment, often with headsets on, versus when they sing in a cavernous hall with 10,000 people yelling & a fourteen-piece rock band blasting away behind them (with the amplification hitting the singers from behind & atop). As HomerMcVie has noted, it's extremely difficult to locate pitch & sustain it in such an environment. Plus, your voice box & its ability to sound is highly reliant on your entire auditory apparatus -- ever notice how raw you sound trying to sing in the close confines of your automobile after being at a loud rock concert for two hours?

(Of course, that's part of the reason we pay them $75 a ticket.)

[Miss Vicky]

Originally Posted by wondergirl9847

That's the way I am about Lindsey, Justin and Keith. They can do no wrong, in my eyes. I love listening to their voices, off notes and all. They all sing differently live and make each song unique. Most of the time, I prefer to hear them sing live, instead of on a CD...when they are kind of put into a box.

While I can't side with you on Justin and Keith, I do most certainly agree that Lindsey sounds much better live than on the studio recordings. In a live performance he doesn't get the opportunity to tweak his vocals and you get his natural voice instead (albeit along with recordings of tweaked background vocals - i.e. Peacekeeper), which is the way I prefer to hear him.

[DrummerDeanna]

Originally Posted by Miss Vicky

As much as I know its bad to have... umm... such things, I'm glad I have a copy of GOS... you know, the pristine versions of the songs before they were tainted with Stevie's less than great backing vocals.

see...for me that made the songs better

[Miss Vicky]

Originally Posted by David

ever notice how raw you sound trying to sing in the close confines of your automobile after being at a loud rock concert for two hours?

(Of course, that's part of the reason we pay them $75 a ticket.)

Umm... no. I can't hear myself sing above the ringing in my ears. And I paid more than $75 a ticket.

[Miss Vicky]

Originally Posted by DrummerDeanna

see...for me that made the songs better

Yes, but then you are a Stevie fan. I, however, am decidedly not.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by David

Guys, remember that it's a lot different for singers when they sing in a controlled studio environment, often with headsets on, versus when they sing in a cavernous hall with 10,000 people yelling & a fourteen-piece rock band blasting away behind them (with the amplification hitting the singers from behind & atop). As HomerMcVie has noted, it's extremely difficult to locate pitch & sustain it in such an environment. Plus, your voice box & its ability to sound is highly reliant on your entire auditory apparatus -- ever notice how raw you sound trying to sing in the close confines of your automobile after being at a loud rock concert for two hours?

(Of course, that's part of the reason we pay them $75 a ticket.)

Doesn't explain why she sounded quite horrid on the Destiny Rules doc in a controlled studio environment with a headset on.

[DrummerDeanna]

Originally Posted by Miss Vicky

Yes, but then you are a Stevie fan. I, however, am decidedly not.

*phew* I thought I was going to get a bad comment back from my statement lol...I actually like Lindsey a lot - but I'm still a Stevie girl through and through

[David]

Originally Posted by Miss Vicky

In a live performance he doesn't get the opportunity to tweak his vocals and you get his natural voice instead

I wouldn't say it's his natural voice, strictly speaking. He's got more or less wet or dry signals on his vocal mic, he's got varying levels of reverb, of chorus, of flange, of lots of different FX that his mixer is controlling.

His natural voice is what he sounds like singing "Peacekeeper" in his living room without a mic.

[Miss Vicky]

Originally Posted by DrummerDeanna

*phew* I thought I was going to get a bad comment back from my statement lol...I actually like Lindsey a lot - but I'm still a Stevie girl through and through

Do I really come off as that much of a (insert insulting name here) that you would expect that? (Rhetorical question, nobody answer that.)

Sheesh...

Oh well. I have been, in my offline life, referred to as bitchy, blunt, rude, vicious, mean, cruel, etc. Some people just don't get my sense of humor in any environment.