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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

while that may be true, our teeth are meant to eat meat and I know of no little kid that does not salivate at the smell of meat cooking. Later on they may make the choice not to eat it, but the initial smells draw them

Right, but not just meat. that's why i said Omnivores, but not Carnivores. If Carnivores, our teeth wouldn't have as many grindy ones in the back, and they'd be more like cats'. Carnivores eat solely meat, basically, except for the odd chewed pieces of grass to help digestion. And they're body chemistry is made to support an all meat diet, whereas ours is not - we would be severely malnourished if that was all we ate.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by irishgrl

to me the idea of the animal getting away is very comforting. I am a bit surprised to hear that an arrow wound is more painful than a gunshot wound. I wonder how one determines that? isnt pain pain? Still, if you are right, thats a point that I never considered (frankly I didnt know such a comparison existed)

Well, I suppose it's based more on medical "assumption" than anything. Taking into consideration the type of wound (as it would relate to human pain) and the amount of time it would take to die from such a wound, I guess is how they've determined it's more painful and causes more suffering.

It's sort of like boiling a lobster, I suppose... in that there's no way of knowing exactly how much it hurts the lobster, but you can be sure that it does.

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Originally Posted by dissention

My sister, actually. She has never liked meat of any kind and has never eaten it, only when she was forced to.

I've recently read info that some blood types need hardly any meat, are adapted to largely a non meat, grain/fruit/veggie/nut diet. Meat in large quantities is detrimental to the efficient running of their system.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by amber

Right, but not just meat. that's why i said Omnivores, but not Carnivores. If Carnivores, our teeth wouldn't have as many grindy ones in the back, and they'd be more like cats'. Carnivores eat solely meat, basically, except for the odd chewed pieces of grass to help digestion. And they're body chemistry is made to support an all meat diet, whereas ours is not - we would be severely malnourished if that was all we ate.

oops - my bad

[Miss Vicky]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

Of course, we were boys... and little boys play with squirmy things. It prepares them for when they're bigger boys!

Hey now, I'm a girl and used to play with squirmy things. I collected daddy long legs, beetles, worms, snails, etc. And sooner or later (most) girls get to play with those same "squirmy things" that bigger boys play with, they just belong to the boys!

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Originally Posted by irishgrl

to me the idea of the animal getting away is very comforting. I am a bit surprised to hear that an arrow wound is more painful than a gunshot wound. I wonder how one determines that? isnt pain pain? Still, if you are right, thats a point that I never considered (frankly I didnt know such a comparison existed)

well, I think the animal would die more quickly with a gunshot wound, and it's likely to be a more accurate shot, that's why people would say it is less painful. Aren't you supposed to break the animal's neck if it isn't dead after you shoot it?

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

oops - my bad

no big. I think I knew what you meant, and figured you meant eat meat, but not only meat. yeah?

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by amber

well, I think the animal would die more quickly with a gunshot wound, and it's likely to be a more accurate shot, that's why people would say it is less painful. Aren't you supposed to break the animal's neck if it isn't dead after you shoot it?

It depends on what you shoot, graphic details aside - a larger animal should be shot again if the first shot did not kill it.

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Originally Posted by Miss Vicky

Hey now, I'm a girl and used to play with squirmy things. I collected daddy long legs, beetles, worms, snails, etc. And sooner or later (most) girls get to play with those same "squirmy things" that bigger boys play with, they just belong to the boys!

*shudder* (about the bugs, not the other one)
I also get really freaked out when my mom tells me when she sees a crawdad in the river! I'm like "AAAAAAHHHH! A BIG BUG!!!" i did enjoy pollywogs when i was little, though.

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

It depends on what you shoot, graphic details aside - a larger animal should be shot again if the first shot did not kill it.

yeah, i guess. either way, if it is still alive, and suffering, something should be done!

[dissention]

Originally Posted by Lux

A gunshot is the most humane way to kill livestock so I don't see why this wouldn't transfer over to hunting wild animals. Ideally this is how animals should be slaughtered, a gunshot to the head.

Actually, in an ideal situation, animals should be slaughtered by being gassed. It's painless and rather quick. Why it isn't more widespread is beyond my comprehension.

Originally Posted by Lux

Incidently my grandfather is a grazier and so I've been out hunting kangaroos with him. Actually he just drives around the property, casually chatting whilst hanging out the door, firing a rifle at anything that isn't cattle.

Maybe he'll hit a Murdoch sometime.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by Lux

. . . Actually he just drives around the property, casually chatting whilst hanging out the door, firing a rifle at anything that isn't cattle.

thank goodness you are in the vehicle

I agree, though, that a gunshot is probably the most effective way to kill a large animal. A chicken or other bird is a little different and perhaps the chopping block is the most humane. They can also pretty much all be gassed - but that is a litle risky as gas is toxic - though I am sure it has been improved, etc.

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Originally Posted by Lux

A gunshot is the most humane way to kill livestock so I don't see why this wouldn't transfer over to hunting wild animals. Ideally this is how animals should be slaughtered, a gunshot to the head.

Incidently my grandfather is a grazier and so I've been out hunting kangaroos with him. Actually he just drives around the property, casually chatting whilst hanging out the door, firing a rifle at anything that isn't cattle.

does he do that cause the 'roo eat the plants that are for his cattle? gaw, cattle! so many resources taken. (not directed at you or your grandpa, really)

[irishgrl]

Originally Posted by Lux

A gunshot is the most humane way to kill livestock so I don't see why this wouldn't transfer over to hunting wild animals. Ideally this is how animals should be slaughtered, a gunshot to the head.

Incidently my grandfather is a grazier and so I've been out hunting kangaroos with him. Actually he just drives around the property, casually chatting whilst hanging out the door, firing a rifle at anything that isn't cattle.

the pesky Kangaroo......I think its the "casualness" that you describe so succinctly that is so hard to deal with...but, that is the mindset of stockranchers (or graziers in your case). Kangaroos dont have any natural predatory enemies over there do they? Actually, aside from the Dingo, is there any? Dingos are shot as well are they not?

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

thank goodness you are in the vehicle

I agree, though, that a gunshot is probably the most effective way to kill a large animal. A chicken or other bird is a little different and perhaps the chopping block is the most humane. They can also pretty much all be gassed - but that is a litle risky as gas is toxic - though I am sure it has been improved, etc.

The only thing i don't think makes it as fair to kill an animal with a gun, theoretically, is the fact that you can shoot it from much farther away, and well, there's just no chance it could escape. ie, not as "fair of a fight". You don't have to use your wits and tracking skill as much to sneak up on it for just the right shot. But that point becomes a little moot with the fact that we do have guns, and if we are going to hunt animals, it makes it faster/less painful.