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[dissention]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

Your original statement of your opinion made no allotment for the MANY people in this country who do need to hunt for their food.

Hogwash. Go read post #67.

http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showpo...0&postcount=67

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by dissention

No one needs to kill another beautiful creature when there is plenty of food out there for them to eat already. Why kill one more animal than needs to be killed? They surely aren't going to starve. I don't know how anyone can muster up the strength within themselves to take the life of another creature and watch as life escapes them, but that's just me. More power to those who can because it's not illegal, unfortunately.

Hypocrite (meant in a friendly way )- you do not mind it so much when you buy it in the market. But, I suppose it is okay then because someone else killed it

Look - I get not everyone can hunt - but I suggest if you had to you would - instead of benefiting from some unknown person's willingness to do so so you do not have to yourself. But, you are not alone - VERY few are able to look at it this way as they cannot accept that everytime they put meat in their mouths someone had to slaughter it and then butcher it. AND - I am not saying that either is an easy thing to do if you actually have to think about it. I have done both.

As for killing more than necessary, anyone who believes that ought to be for hunting because it would kill WAY less (I suggest by half) than the number killed for supermarket beef, most of which is thrown away because it did not sell or went bad after the sale

In the end, I think this is one of those issues that no one is going to agree about - so I think I just do what I feel comfortable with and the hell with the rest of the world (levity in a serious topic )

[amber]

Originally Posted by irishgrl

I kill any spider stupid enuff to be in my domain. That includes outdoors. especially black widows. I kill wasps too...I hate them boogers...I also kill cockroaches but I havent seen a cockroach since I moved to the mountains.... all other bugs are gathered up and taken outside.

oh, I just remembered: one bug I think is exceptionally UGLY is the potato bug and I get the biggest shoe I have and smash that puppy if I see one...which I havent in my new house. I think the word is out: AVOID MARY'S PLACE IF YOU WANT TO LIVE! but all butterflies and moths get free passes....

Hohmigod - Potato Bugs *shudder* you mean those really giant bugs with two sections, right? (some people call rolly bugs potato bugs). One morning, I had gotten ready for 8th grade, and I had put my Vans on, and i kept feeling something in my toe. So I took my shoe off, tapped the toe, and out plops this GIANT potato bug! It was like, an inch and a half long, and as fat as a mouse! I was soooooo scared, and I just panicked. I froze, deciding what to do, and I couldn't get near the thing. Finally, i woke up my dad (who was pissed, cause he had worked swing shift) and was shaking, and almost crying, and was like "dad! DAD!!!!" and then i told him, and he was like "you woke me up for a BUG?!" and i was all "Dad, it's huge!" Also, my mom and I both pretty much flee while screaming and panicking from anything that resembles a wasp/hornet/yellow jacket. One night five or so got into my house, my cat alerted me, and the one that got on my curtain by my ceiling? that i couldn't reach with spray? I sat and stared at that bastard for 45 MINUTES. i was so scared, and wouldn't let it out of my sight!
Anyways, sorry for the big thing, bugs just freak me out.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by ontheEdgeof17

. . . You try living in the middle of nowhere in the dead of winter. We couldn't make it to the store for weeks on end (no lie). We had to hunt.

These big city people cannot comprehend that concept - sad - very true. I know people who live off of their land and never go to the store for food. Why should they have to is beyond me.

[amber]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Hypocrite (meant in a friendly way )- you do not mind it so much when you buy it in the market. But, I suppose it is okay then because someone else killed it

Look - I get not everyone can hunt - but I suggest if you had to you would - instead of benefiting from some unknown person's willingness to do so so you do not have to yourself. But, you are not alone - VERY few are able to look at it this way as they cannot accept that everytime they put meat in their mouths someone had to slaughter it and then butcher it. AND - I am not saying that either is an easy thing to do if you actually have to think about it. I have done both.

As for killing more than necessary, anyone who believes that ought to be for hunting because it would kill WAY less (I suggest by half) than the number killed for supermarket beef, most of which is thrown away because it did not sell or went bad after the sale

In the end, I think this is one of those issues that no one is going to agree about - so I think I just do what I feel comfortable with and the hell with the rest of the world (levity in a serious topic )

To my eyes, your point was made very effectively.

[Miss Vicky]

Originally Posted by amber

Bugs freak me out terribly. I usually try to call it to my cat's attention, so that he will catch and eat it, thus the circle of life is complete but, otherwise, it's freak out then smash. Are you telling me you guys that don't kill bugs don't even kill Roaches if you see one? Wowee.

Well, admitedly, the one time I saw a cockroach in my house, I didn't get my little salt shaker and gently catch it. It was in my entryway, so I opened the front door, got the broom, and flung the little bastard outside, but no, I didn't kill it. It landed upside down on the sidewalk, righted itself, and walked away.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

These big city people cannot comprehend that concept - sad - very true.

Ouch.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by irishgrl

. . . then I would have to remind you that the increase in the deer population is directly the result of doing away with its natural predator

you mean like man - which surely is a natural predator

but, I agree with your point to an extent, though historically deer tend to over populate notwithstanding that.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by dissention

Ouch.

glad it hurt

[irishgrl]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

These big city people cannot comprehend that concept - sad - very true. I know people who live off of their land and never go to the store for food. Why should they have to is beyond me.

I am NOT a big city people. I live 3000ft up, where the minds get narrower along with the roads. where every garage has a junked car, every yard has a dog and every dog has an attitude. The basic uniform is jeans/teeshirt, and tobacco in a can in your back pocket, a gun in the truck a scraggly beard on your face and maybe a few teeth. so THERE!

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by dissention

Hogwash. Go read post #67.

Originally Posted by dissention

Live and let live unless it's a necessity.

My bad. I missed that post somehow.
The first one I saw was this one:

Originally Posted by dissention

No one needs to kill another beautiful creature when there is plenty of food out there for them to eat already. Why kill one more animal than needs to be killed? They surely aren't going to starve.

Which is why I commented the way I did, that your statement didn't allot for the people in this country who need to hunt for their food.

But I didn't realize you had made a previous comment that was a little more open-ended.

[irishgrl]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

you mean like man - which surely is a natural predator

but, I agree with your point to an extent, though historically deer tend to over populate notwithstanding that.

Hey if you want to call man a natural predator, fine! but I say, do away with the unnatural weapons! go back to the bow, and give the animal a fighting chance!

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by ShangriLaTroubl

Hard to explain...

There's many reasons I enjoy hunting...I enjoy it I suppose because it's a time when you can enjoy anothers' company...it's no different than target shooting, when it comes to enjoying and learning precision and a skill...The deer season here is used to keep down the overpopulation of deer, and I suppose it's natural to desire to have skills of "living off the land" if ever necessary. When hunting you get to experience the outdoors (and yes of course you could do this many other ways).

Everything we do has consequences. Whether you choose to eat vegetables or meat, store-bought food or homegrown, cattle or venison, you contribute to the death of animals so you can eat.

I suggest it is in our DNA to enjoy it. Man must eat to survive and we are carnivores. I fully understand that one can make the choice to be a vegetarian and that man has evolved to the point where we do not have to eat the meat from the carcass (at least raw and in the wild as opposed to the Publix rotissere chicken ) but we are carnivores. Thus, I suggest, like the drive for males to ejaculate is innate, the drive to kill and eat is as well. Both, however and again, are controllable.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

glad it hurt

I'm sure you are.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by irishgrl

Hey if you want to call man a natural predator, fine! but I say, do away with the unnatural weapons! go back to the bow, and give the animal a fighting chance!

A bow is a natural weapon, darling? Try a rock or a stick.