Ward Churchill - Page 3

dissention · #31 02-10-2005, 11:17 AM

Has the actual essay been publicly released? If not, anyone who is "offended" by it without having actually read it needs to slapped. Hard.

strandinthewind · #32 02-10-2005, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by dissention

Put them in a room with the man who was partly responsible for September 11th, a certain George W. Bush. I'd pay to see that.

A little fact that few on the far right will acknowledge is that MANY if not the majority of the 9/11 widows, etc. HATE the Fed. Govt. for the cover up that happened after 9/11. They have testified before Congress and have openly and loudly boo'd Rice and other big wigs when they spewed their lies about how they were on top of the OBL threat prior to 9/11. The truth is (and I defy anyone to provide a fact to refute this) W and his ilk essentially completely ignored the many warnings from the Clinton Administration (who caught and prosecuted terrorists and prevented terroristic acts mind you - though certainly not all - but more than W (save the people captured in Afgan assuming they were all part of OBL armies

) and anyone with any knowledge about the growing threat from OBL, who had directly attacked our country many times in the past on both our soil and elsewhere. They could not be bothered. In fact, they even somewhat stymied the Cole investigation (again OBL) out of apathy and then had the gall to say Clinton was bad for allowing it to happen. They instead were squarely focused on Iraq. I get that SH may have had WMD and SH was certainly not meeting his obligation to the UN, but SH at best only attacked an ally of the US; he never blew up our military barracks, the WTC (93), the Cole, and other incidents. So, while SH was a problem, he hardly rose to the level of OBL at that time and pretty much every single person in the know when W took office said as much. Then, once we get hit on 9/11, does the Bush Admin. learn from its mistakes - no it does not. It attacks Afganistan, which was the right thing to do, but then soon looses focus when OBL is not caught and goes back to Iraq with a vengence and lies and cheats to gets it way there. Again, Iraq and OBL and 9/11 had nothing to do with wach other - yet most cannot make that distinction because W and his lying cronies confused the two.

Interestingly, so many on the far right are so willing to portray Clinton as ineffective on terrorism and OBL (which is mostly worng becuase while he did not get or stop all events, he did at least one and he caught and prosecuted many who did these horrible acts). Yet, these same people cannot harbor the thought that W's neglect was the main cause for 9/11 being allowed to happen. They cannot or they refuse to turn that high powered light on W. hypocrites - the lot of them.

cliffdweller · #33 02-10-2005, 11:26 AM

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Hey when you capture Saddam and bring freedom to Iraqis for the first time, I too consider that "magnificently well"; call me an optimist

If you call freedom forced American culture, politics, and "values" then yeah, I guess they're getting "freedom" crammed down their throats.

estranged4life · #34 02-10-2005, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by cliffdweller

If you call freedom forced American culture, politics, and "values" then yeah, I guess they're getting "freedom" crammed down their throats.

if ya came to the great state of (confusion) Of Oklahoma and said that statement to any of the Native American Tribes, Their response would more than 100% likely be "Hey, That's what happened to us...And it sucked!"

cliffdweller · #35 02-10-2005, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by estranged4life

if ya came to the great state of (confusion) Of Oklahoma and said that statement to any of the Native American Tribes, Their response would more than 100% likely be "Hey, That's what happened to us...And it sucked!"

Exactly. It's the imperialist great White way...and it does suck. The Bush administration = colonialist bastards.

estranged4life · #36 02-10-2005, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

A little fact that few on the far right will acknowledge is that MANY if not the majority of the 9/11 widows, etc. HATE the Fed. Govt. for the cover up that happened after 9/11.

same thing goes for April 19,1995 in this past of the world, Except here noone believes anyone whatsoever, Especially when no answers for the Murrah bombing were answered other than that McVeigh, Nichols & Fortier were involved.

Nearly 10 years and still awaiting an answer from our much loved/trusted globally US Government

strandinthewind · #37 02-10-2005, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by estranged4life

same thing goes for April 19,1995 in this past of the world, Except here noone believes anyone whatsoever, Especially when no answers for the Murrah bombing were answered other than that McVeigh, Nichols & Fortier were involved.

Nearly 10 years and still awaiting an answer from our much loved/trusted globally US Government

not only that - but the US Gov. refuses to provide any info. on ANY of the alleged conspirators, which eyewitnesses saw. In many ways, the more I think about the OKC bombing, the more I believe the govt. did it to cover up something a la the X-Files movie - but then again I have a hard time with that though I am a conspriacy theorist at heart

estranged4life · #38 02-10-2005, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by cliffdweller

If you call freedom forced American culture, politics, and "values" then yeah, I guess they're getting "freedom" crammed down their throats.

of cramming "Freedom" down other countries throat:

Government Personnel/Freedom Slaves-Tesla from the Psychotic Supper release

Government Personnel

"Go straight to hell,
All you government personnel,
Sittin' awf'ly well
In your big, white house up on the hill.

You say now, give me a home
Where the buffalo roam,
Where the deer and antelope play.
You can bet your ass we'll blow them all away.

F**k it up until it's bent,
Then a-wonder where it went.
Thinkin' you was a-heaven sent, ha ha ha,
You're nothin' but hell!

Go straight to hell."

Freedom Slaves

"I pledge no allegiance to your flag.
I feel I got me some damn good reasons for feelin' bad.
Way they take away ev'ry mother's son,
If you want freedom now, it's got to be won.
It's only bullets. It's just a gun.
Ain't gon' hurt no one.

I don't know what they must be thinkin'.
Makin' decisions on a hard night's drinkin'.
Momma, gon' take your little boy.
Gonna make him 'to a man,
Make him a stranger in a strange land.

Freedom slaves
What have you done
Freedom slaves
With ev'ry mother's son?
Freedom slaves
Can't ya see that we're all freedom slaves?

Freedom slaves
What have you done?
Freedom slaves
And all for number one.
Freedom slaves
It's clear to see that we're all freedom slaves.

No sign of justice nor liberty
By takin' an Indian Nation, 'cause they was all that we wanted to be.
All good people from the Kingdom of the Sun.
Welcome to freedom. Now, there's work to be done.
It's only natural to know it's wrong.
Why did it go so long?

I don't know what next they'll be killin',
Rapin' the land with pollution and spillin'.
Here's to the tired, to the hungry, to the helpless and the poor.
Is there no glory for blisters and sores?

[Chorus]

Who are those people?
So patriotically sittin' back of tables
On their asses, lickin' labels, tryin' to change me.
You'd think the way they act, the way they carry on,
You'd think that I was the devil's Seventh Son.
But it's only words. It's just a song.
Ain't gonna hurt no one.

[Chorus]

Freedom slaves.
Freedom slaves.
Freedom slaves.

Attention!
About Face!
March!
Left, right, left, right, left, right.
Your momma, she was a....(fade out)"

dissention · #39 02-10-2005, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Interestingly, so many on the far right are so willing to portray Clinton as ineffective on terrorism and OBL (which is mostly worng becuase while he did not get or stop all events, he did at least one and he caught and prosecuted many who did these horrible acts). Yet, these same people cannot harbor the thought that W's neglect was the main cause for 9/11 being allowed to happen. They cannot or they refuse to turn that high powered light on W. hypocrites - the lot of them.

Clinton is the scapegoat for everything. If osmething isn't right, blame Clinton. It's ridiculous. My favorite is how they yell at us liberals by saying it wasn't Shrub's fault that 9/11 happened because he had only been in office for less than a year. Yet they blame Clinton for the WTC attack in '93 and he hadn't even been in office for a month.

estranged4life · #40 02-10-2005, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention

Clinton is the scapegoat for everything. If osmething isn't right, blame Clinton. It's ridiculous. My favorite is how they yell at us liberals by saying it wasn't Shrub's fault that 9/11 happened because he had only been in office for less than a year. Yet they blame Clinton for the WTC attack in '93 and he hadn't even been in office for a month.

was not the scapegoat at all in OKC, But most do feel Janet Reno never gave a clear answer to the victims family about what the hell actually happened...

dissention · #41 02-10-2005, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by estranged4life

was not the scapegoat at all in OKC, But most do feel Janet Reno never gave a clear answer to the victims family about what the hell actually happened...

No, I meant a scapegoat for everything like Osama and al Qaeda, dear.

estranged4life · #42 02-10-2005, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

not only that - but the US Gov. refuses to provide any info. on ANY of the alleged conspirators, which eyewitnesses saw. In many ways, the more I think about the OKC bombing, the more I believe the govt. did it to cover up something a la the X-Files movie - but then again I have a hard time with that though I am a conspriacy theorist at heart

Why didn't our "much beloved" government subpoena the over 100 eyewitnesses who saw 2 people in the Ryder truck the morning of April 19,1995 10-15 minutes before 9:02AM? All the same witnesses who stated that McVeigh was not driving the truck that morning, He was the passenger...So who the hell was driving? And why did the US government take precedent over the State of Oklahoma for wanting to prosecute McVeigh first when all they charged him were deaths of 8 federal workers (No ATF or FBI agents were killed)? (Oklahoma had the right to try him for ALL 168 deaths)

Here are the three questions I would like to see answered:

#1-Who was the official in charge of the memos that were sent around the country on April 18,1995 stating that all "Federal offices need to be on the lookout for a possible terrorist attack...All offices should advise their occupants to stay at home"? A Federal court judge in the Federal Court building located next door to the Murrah site even produced this memo, But he was never called to testify in either he US or State trials!

#2-Why was there proof that the Murrah Building was brought down by a more enhanced weapon (ie-Small nuclear device) than the US Government has stated (There's eyewitness testimony that hours after the bombing "Govt.personnel in protective clothing were seen using Geiger Counters around the area")...Even after their own USAF experts stated "A fuel bomb of the size stated that was used could never have brought the building down, Damaged it, Yes...Destroyed it as bad as it was, No".

#3-And where are the video tapes of the bombing? There were always plenty of video camera's in downtown OKC area near the Murrah building prior to April 19,1995? (There was talk during the Nichols state trial that video evidence does exist...But the person who supposedly has it denies he has ever owned the tape, Even after publicly admitting so!) Even the US govt., At one time said there was video evidence, So where did that evidence go?

Okay, enuff of my OKC rant...Back to yer regularly scheduled thread...Take her away

gldstwmn · #43 02-10-2005, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by estranged4life

, So I guess I am an anarchist too since "us Natives want ALL OF YOU non-'Native Americans' to go back wherest you came from"

At this point I'm seriously considering it.

gldstwmn · #44 02-10-2005, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention

Has the actual essay been publicly released? If not, anyone who is "offended" by it without having actually read it needs to slapped. Hard.

Darling it was published three years ago. I find the sudden hoopla curious to say the least. That's why I'm saying, I want to watch this unfold becasue I think something is amiss here.

gldstwmn · #45 02-10-2005, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

A little fact that few on the far right will acknowledge is that MANY if not the majority of the 9/11 widows, etc. HATE the Fed. Govt. for the cover up that happened after 9/11.

Do you know that Rumsfeld at one point slipped and said the Pennsylvania plane was actually shot down?