Liar, Liar, Now You're Fired - Page 36

irishgrl · #**526** 01-19-2005, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

So, I'm wierd and insane because I feel that I have a calling from God...

All of us have a calling from God, and we all know when we find it.

You have to be one of the most cold hearted people I have ever talked to in my life.

interesting, considering I already told you I am a child advocate. You know NOTHING about me.

DrummerDeanna · #**527** 01-19-2005, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

But then again there is nothing in the constitution that says that gay marriage is legal either. There is nothing really in the constitution that defines what marriage is. Which is why millions of American's want the marriage ammendment to be added to the constitution. The special and sacred relationship between man and woman that has been believed in since the beginning of time. The joining together of these two people to create life!

What? Where the hell are you getting your information.

And what about the millions of Americans who DON'T want the marriage amendment added to the constitution?

It has no place there - because it's a religious issue - again, give me ONE good reason why there should be no gay marriage - a reason that IS NOT based on religion - the ones you stated above are religious - and your last statement - marriage to create life?

So should people who are not able to have children - should they not be allowed to marry?

There is no place for a marriage definition in the United State Constitution. period.

Brwn_eyes0511 · #**528** 01-19-2005, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DeadliestPoison

Perhaps that is to say that there is no way references to homosexuality could exist in the original un-translated text? Sure, there can be terms that may look like they refer to homosexuality, but you just said that there was nothing that blatantly mentioned it (or you did, I can't tell). Thus, someone would have had to integrated that on their own if it weren't in the text already.

Anything can influence translation: cultures, languages (obviously), cultural upbringing... and all of these can lead to biases. Who's to say what the original intention of the Bible (or any other heavily-translated religious text) is? Some translations are more faithful than others, sure, but people also read different translations to fit their needs. There's a New Testament translation of the Bible that looks like a Cosmo magazine (it's called "Revolve" and aimed toward teenage girls; the male counterpart is called "Refuel"). It's formatted in a way that makes it easier to understand for the reader. You can't tell me that they didn't dumb things down a little or possibly even take some liberties in the translating of the text in order to better appeal to teenage girls (or boys).

Take for instance this. I Googled it, since I don't have a Bible nearby (I think I lost it a long time ago at a day camp.) I found the following:

To me, that hardly implies, "So we can have sex with them."

Okay, that one? Yeah.

Eh. This can be construed as, "We wanna have sex, y'all!" But it oculd possibly be interpreted as something different. I'm not up to snuff on all the Biblical stories, so forgive me if I'm being an idiot with this.

Anyway, all I'm saying is that over time, as people change, dialects change, etc, definitions can change. Connotations and denotations can change. Perhaps that is the case with many translations of religious text (specifically, the Bible)? Perhaps, even, it is safe to assume that when the Bible refers to men, it is literally referring solely TO men? (Not to be misogynistic or anything, but it's something that I thought about a few weeks ago).

Anyway. Feel free to ignore me, since I know next to nothing about the content of Biblical text. I'm only really familiar with a few things here & there, and that's it. In the end, blahblahblah translationschangestuff-cakes.

To "know" in the biblical since is an old english term used when translating the KJV. It means to "have relations with or to have sex with"

DrummerDeanna · #**529** 01-19-2005, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Lux

What about those who will not protect their child, those who will not be able to provide for it and who will treat it to neglect? Do they deserve to be put through that?

Right - or beat, molested and worse in foster care?

I have heard some HORRIBLE stories of kids shuffled though the system - then once they turn 18 they're dropped like hot potatos with no clue what to do = and a history of abuse etc...it's a sad state indeed

Serrart · #**530** 01-19-2005, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

Very true, but the world will never know because they were murdered.

The babies or the serial killers?

By The way I respect your politic and moral beliefs even if I don't agree with any of them (at least among those I've read about), it's only that to play "what if" with abortion seems pointless to me. JMHO

Romy

Brwn_eyes0511 · #**531** 01-19-2005, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DrummerDeanna

What? Where the hell are you getting your information.

And what about the millions of Americans who DON'T want the marriage amendment added to the constitution?

It has no place there - because it's a religious issue - again, give me ONE good reason why there should be no gay marriage - a reason that IS NOT based on religion - the ones you stated above are religious - and your last statement - marriage to create life?

So should people who are not able to have children - should they not be allowed to marry?

There is no place for a marriage definition in the United State Constitution. period.

I just gave you one. Because really its unnatural it goes against basic and common law, to procreate which only can come through Male/Female joining together as one soul to live together and create life.

and basically, being tired of this whole arguing crap, I asked a professor today her opinion on all of this and she said:

"You know if animals have gotten in right all these years, why can't we? If a dog knows what to hump, why can't we? Id like to think we are smarter than a dog."

And I know that’s going to offend everyone (cause EVERYTHING does around here) but just note that I DIDNT SAY IT...my PROFESSOR IN COLLEGE DID.

Brwn_eyes0511 · #**532** 01-19-2005, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Serrart

The babies or the serial killers?

By The way I respect your politic and moral beliefs even if I don't agree with any of them (at least among those I've read about), it's only that to play "what if" with abortion seems pointless to me. JMHO

Romy

You're right it does...and thats what is sad about it. To think about all the life that could have been, but wasn't.

Brwn_eyes0511 · #**533** 01-19-2005, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Lux

You're kidding yourself if you think it works that way. Miserable existences can be avoided.

Yes they can, give the baby up for adoption, don't kill it!

Brwn_eyes0511 · #**534** 01-19-2005, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DrummerDeanna

Right - or beat, molested and worse in foster care?

I have heard some HORRIBLE stories of kids shuffled though the system - then once they turn 18 they're dropped like hot potatos with no clue what to do = and a history of abuse etc...it's a sad state indeed

You still don't understand...ITS NOT OUR RIGHT to kill that child no matter of what YOU think the circumstances of his/her life will be. HOW DARE ANYONE take that life away from that child.

Brwn_eyes0511 · #**535** 01-19-2005, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by irishgrl

interesting, considering I already told you I am a child advocate. You know NOTHING about me.

You, are a child advocate....

and I'm Michael Moore.

reallyl you are joking right, is this like candid camera internet style or something!?!

DrummerDeanna · #**536** 01-19-2005, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

I just gave you one. Because really its unnatural it goes against basic and common law, to procreate which only can come through Male/Female joining together as one soul to live together and create life.

and basically, being tired of this whole arguing crap, I asked a professor today her opinion on all of this and she said:

"You know if animals have gotten in right all these years, why can't we? If a dog knows what to hump, why can't we? Id like to think we are smarter than a dog."

And I know that’s going to offend everyone (cause EVERYTHING does around here) but just note that I DIDNT SAY IT...my PROFESSOR IN COLLEGE DID.

No you didn't. You gave me an opinion based on your religion.

Guess what - your professor is an idiot.

There are animals that have sex with animals of the same sex

Nature - gotta love it.

And - gay people know how to knock up others - they know how to "get it right" as you said

Again - what about men/women who are straight but sterile? Should then not be allowed to marry or have sex??

DrummerDeanna · #**537** 01-19-2005, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

You still don't understand...ITS NOT OUR RIGHT to kill that child no matter of what YOU think the circumstances of his/her life will be. HOW DARE ANYONE take that life away from that child.

I think it is YOU who don't understand....your beliefs are not everyones - and therefore you will never be able to change the minds of others - because not everyone believes in your mega-Christian values...

The Tower · #**538** 01-19-2005, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

And I know that’s going to offend everyone (cause EVERYTHING does around here) but just note that I DIDNT SAY IT...my PROFESSOR IN COLLEGE DID.

Lemme guess.... Bob Jones University???? Oops, I forgot- you said you were in North Carolina, not South Carolina. Nevermind....

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Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

Yes they can, give the baby up for adoption, don't kill it!

Not only are you ignorant, but you're naive.

irishgrl · #**539** 01-19-2005, 05:25 PM

those who know me, already know the answer to this. I dont care if you dont believe it. like I said, you know NOTHING about me.
the playground is all yours. enjoy.

DrummerDeanna · #**540** 01-19-2005, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Lux

My male cats hump. They just don't procreate when they do. Doesn't mean they don't do it. The fact that the heterosexuals are the ones who procreate does not infer that those who don't procreate are sinning. We simply trace our ancestory back through heterosexuals, it does not mean homosexuality did not exist in all eras and nor does it mean that it is a sin, simply that we survive through heterosexuals. I don't think the survival or the species is anything to rave about and even if it is, there's plenty of heterosexuals to do the procreating, there's no shortage.

And um - dogs who hump legs and things? Don't think they're "getting it right"... as your brililant college professor said