Liar, Liar, Now You're Fired

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Originally Posted by GypsySorcerer

You're really something, aren't you? Now you're telling us how to have our relationships with God. I am comfortable with my beliefs, and they're between me and God. I'm quite happy with that.

I’m not saying that you aren't happy with the way you are. I was simply addressing what the poster said.

Christianity doesn’t want you to deny yourself! I was simply saying that intense prayer is required in finding out the true meaning of how God wants you to live out your life...what God is calling YOU to do.

I’m NOT trying to tell you about your relationships with God! I’m really tired of the certain few posters here who are putting words into my mouth to piss me off...I guess in hopes that I will leave.

I have gotten a lot of PM's applauding my ability to STAND UP AND SAY...'NO' I HAVE A DIFFERENT opinion than YOU do.

So there obviously are a lot of people on this board who do support ideas that I’m trying to defend. Like my right to defend my belief and my conviction without someone cramming words that I don't even say into my mouth!

[amber]

Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

Like my right to defend my belief and my conviction without someone cramming words that I don't even say into my mouth!

By voting the way you do, you cram your religion and your morals into people's mouths. Bummer, yeah?

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

I pray, and I have studied the bible. In doing so, I am confident that my homosexuality, and physical expressions of it, are in no way against God.

And that’s in essence OK. Because in the end NO ONE can come between that inner relationship that only you and God know of! NO ONE else will stand there with you during the final judgment...and God will judge for what we have done, and what we have failed to do. And if you can live your life free from any guilt in your heart...then that’s good! God Bless You for your courage!

[GypsySorcerer]

Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

I’m not saying that you aren't happy with the way you are. I was simply addressing what the poster said.

Christianity doesn’t want you to deny yourself! I was simply saying that intense prayer is required in finding out the true meaning of how God wants you to live out your life...what God is calling YOU to do.

I’m NOT trying to tell you about your relationships with God! I’m really tired of the certain few posters here who are putting words into my mouth to piss me off...I guess in hopes that I will leave.

I have gotten a lot of PM's applauding my ability to STAND UP AND SAY...'NO' I HAVE A DIFFERENT opinion than YOU do.

So there obviously are a lot of people on this board who do support ideas that I’m trying to defend. Like my right to defend my belief and my conviction without someone cramming words that I don't even say into my mouth!

Please. So you think as a result of these intense conversations with God, we'll all be called to the same views as you?

There are thousands of religions in this world and you cannot say who is wrong or right. There is no such thing as a shared reality.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Originally Posted by amber

By voting the way you do, you cram your religion and your morals into people's mouths. Bummer, yeah?

Well, by voting liberal one could say that you cram secularism down everyone elses throat...Bummer, yea?

[amber]

Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

Well, by voting liberal one could say that you cram secularism down everyone elses throat...Bummer, yea?

No, because religion should be, and according to our constitution is, separate from politics. It's easy to practice religion anywhere you want. but the gov't controls a goodly part of every Americans, and many foreigners lives, and so religion should not be a part of that. It's pretty simple.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Originally Posted by GypsySorcerer

Please. So you think as a result of these intense conversations with God, we'll all be called to the same views as you?

There are thousands of religions in this world and you cannot say who is wrong or right. There is no such thing as a shared reality.

Actually there is, there is a shared reality in every religion that there is a higher being, in some form or another and we are all trying to discover our purposes here on this earth. I see a basic common ground of "we want to understand God and why we are here on this earth."

As a Catholic Christian I do believe that Jesus is the way to the Father. I mean don't you understand that I HAVE TO BELIEVE THAT as a Christian!

I understand world religions and our common goal to understand God completely, which is a daunting task, which no one can really achieve.

[irishgrl]

Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

Yes, be excepting of people and love them Is christs message. But Christ also preached about SIN. To the woman he rescued from adultury, he told her her sins were forgiven...BUT...GO AND SIN NO MORE! God turns his head away from Sin, but he dosen't want us to show any less respect and love towards those who sin...which is EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US!

you still didnt answer my question. WHY are fundamental Christians SO THREATENED by other belief/value systems?

[amber]

Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

I understand world religions and our common goal to understand God completely, which is a daunting task, which no one can really achieve.

If you understand world religions, and the need to understand god, then why don't you support people who support the right of everyone to understand spirituality in their own way? Why do you think the gov't should be involved in everyone's personal form of spirituality? If the gov't butted out, then everyone would be happy and free to worship how they choose...

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Originally Posted by amber

No, because religion should be, and according to our constitution is, separate from politics. It's easy to practice religion anywhere you want. but the gov't controls a goodly part of every Americans, and many foreigners lives, and so religion should not be a part of that. It's pretty simple.

And secularism isn't a form of religion?

New age, tolerance for everything under the sun (including bestiality), legalize drugs, engaging in self worship, the worship of money, greed and power! The freedom to want to have abortions because you're not "ready" to have a child. Wanting to end the life of an elderly person because they are to useless and would be better off anyway. The freedom to really do whatever we want to, screw rules and basic laws of the land which have been around since the beginning of time.

THATS not a religion, THIS is not a way of life trying to be forced upon Americans who happen to have conservative values we want to fight for?

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Originally Posted by amber

If you understand world religions, and the need to understand god, then why don't you support people who support the right of everyone to understand spirituality in their own way? Why do you think the gov't should be involved in everyone's personal form of spirituality? If the gov't butted out, then everyone would be happy and free to worship how they choose...

And everyone CAN worship the way they choose...hello! You really don’t understand a conservatives motto do you?

Government is not the solution...ITS THE PROBLEM!

But when deemed necessary and million year old institutions come under attack (like marriage) excuse us for wanting to define what marriage is.

No one is saying you can't worship the way you want to, go to church where you please...

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Originally Posted by irishgrl

you still didnt answer my question. WHY are fundamental Christians SO THREATENED by other belief/value systems?

Its not that we are THREATENED its that we are trying to hold on, in the secular crazy a** world we live in, to the basic FUNDAMENTAL principles that make up Christianity in its most orthodox form.

SO SHOOT US!

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

Christianity doesn’t want you to deny yourself! I was simply saying that intense prayer is required in finding out the true meaning of how God wants you to live out your life...what God is calling YOU to do.

I'm not trying to beat this issue to death, but not more than a few pages ago, you said:

Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

From the typical religous stand point you would be incouraged to serve God in a celibate life style...it can be done...and people CAN be happy feeling their void with the perfection of Gods love...a love that NO human can give you. You are not WRONG to feel what you feel. But God is calling you to something greater.

You stated that, in order to not be "in the wrong," a homosexual must deny themselves romantic and physical love, and to live a life of celebacy.

Heterosexuals can find fulfillment through a spouse AND God, but a homosexual is only allowed to find it through self-sacrifice and God.

[amber]

Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

And secularism isn't a form of religion?

New age, tolerance for everything under the sun (including bestiality), legalize drugs, engaging in self worship, the worship of money, greed and power! The freedom to want to have abortions because you're not "ready" to have a child. Wanting to end the life of an elderly person because they are to useless and would be better off anyway. The freedom to really do whatever we want to, screw rules and basic laws of the land which have been around since the beginning of time.

THATS not a religion, THIS is not a way of life trying to be forced upon Americans who happen to have conservative values we want to fight for?

Secularism is exactly that - the absence of religion in politics. You are free, as a religious person, not to have an abortion, not to end the life of an elderly person, not to take drugs, not to worship money, greed and power.
It's as simple as that. And every person should be free to decide those things for themselves. Just as you want to be free to decide them. it just makes sense to me. Christian people, and gay people, and every other person, should be free to decide about these issues, without the gov't telling them what they should do. How would you like it, if, someone told you you could not practice your religion? that the gov't could tell you what you could and could not do? don't you think you'd be pissed?

[seeker007nmss]

Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

But when deemed necessary and million year old institutions come under attack (like marriage) excuse us for wanting to define what marriage is.

Marriage is not a million year old institution, and doesn't orthadox christianity say the world isn't that old?