Liar, Liar, Now You're Fired - Page 25

ontheEdgeof17 · #**361** 01-18-2005, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

And I had a feeling you would laugh at the church's view on the subject...why not...taken the easy and free road out is always much more fun!

Who's church, my dear? Not mine. You need to understand that your church beliefs are not my church beliefs. Christianity is not universal. Some of it is, but not all. That's the problem with Bush. Not all Christians are the same....just like not all Jews are the same.......and so on.

Brwn_eyes0511 · #**362** 01-18-2005, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ontheEdgeof17

Who's church, my dear? Not mine. You need to understand that your church beliefs are not my church beliefs. Christianity is not universal. Some of it is, but not all. That's the problem with Bush. Not all Christians are the same....just like not all Jews are the same.......and so on.

which really is true, but also very sad.

amber · #**363** 01-18-2005, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by markolas

A bit of unsolicited advice.

Don't expose your vulnerability to people like brwn_eyes.

Be proud of who you are. Being gay isn't a disease to assign blame to someone for. You couldn't pay me to turn straight, were such a thing possible. I would miss out on knowing so many great people. There's no way I'd trade that for brwn_eyes' idea of heaven. A place like that would be sheer hell to me, anyway. Don't waste time wishing you could be someone you're not because you think it would be "easier."

Excellent. I agree.
and i'm gonna do a repost...

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Originally Posted by amber

don't cry, because you are right.
I, personally, am not Christian. But I think about the big picture a lot. And, logically, it occurs to me that God, if there is one, would never have made 15-25 percent of the population throughout time gay, if that is not what he/she/it had wanted. It is only man's interpretation that makes it so. Nature in it's many and varied forms is all beautiful, and all have a place in the mosaic, otherwise it would not be here. We are all one.
Again, i'm not religious in the Christian way, but if i was, that is how i'd think of god. I would think that everything was created for a reason, and everything is good, and has it's place. No creation would have more or less importance.
I, personally, think of gay people as berdache - one who knows the balance between both worlds...male and female...

ontheEdgeof17 · #**364** 01-18-2005, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by markolas

A bit of unsolicited advice.

Don't expose your vulnerability to people like brwn_eyes.

Be proud of who you are. Being gay isn't a disease to assign blame to someone for. You couldn't pay me to turn straight, were such a thing possible. I would miss out on knowing so many great people. There's no way I'd trade that for brwn_eyes' idea of heaven. A place like that would be sheer hell to me, anyway. Don't waste time wishing you could be someone you're not because you think it would be "easier."

Agreed. I made a decision one day and went forth with it. People make me question it sometimes, but for me, it will always be the right decision.

Brwn_eyes0511 · #**365** 01-18-2005, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by markolas

A bit of unsolicited advice.

Don't expose your vulnerability to people like brwn_eyes.

Be proud of who you are. Being gay isn't a disease to assign blame to someone for. You couldn't pay me to turn straight, were such a thing possible. I would miss out on knowing so many great people. There's no way I'd trade that for brwn_eyes' idea of heaven. A place like that would be sheer hell to me, anyway. Don't waste time wishing you could be someone you're not because you think it would be "easier."

Again hatred and misunderstanding towards me and my views keeps on rolling.

GypsySorcerer · #**366** 01-18-2005, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by amber

don't cry, because you are right.
I, personally, am not Christian. But I think about the big picture a lot. And, logically, it occurs to me that God, if there is one, would never have made 15-25 percent of the population throughout time gay, if that is not what he/she/it had wanted. It is only man's interpretation that makes it so. Nature in it's many and varied forms is all beautiful, and all have a place in the mosaic, otherwise it would not be here. We are all one.
Again, i'm not religious in the Christian way, but if i was, that is how i'd think of god. I would think that everything was created for a reason, and everything is good, and has it's place. No creation would have more or less importance.
I, personally, think of gay people as berdache - one who knows the balance between both worlds...male and female...

Very well and eloquently put. Thanks, Amber.

ontheEdgeof17 · #**367** 01-18-2005, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

which really is true, but also very sad.

markolas · #**368** 01-18-2005, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

Again hatred and misunderstanding towards me and my views keeps on rolling.

I neither hate nor misunderstand. I just don't trust you.

sodascouts · #**369** 01-18-2005, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

I don't want to spread hatred...but morals on the other hand...heck yea!

That's the problem - morals can't be "spread." We can state what we believe and why we believe it, and try to live our lives according to what we believe is right, but everyone has to make that choice for themselves. When I join in these discussions (admittedly rarely), it's usually to try to clarify misunderstandings or defend what I feel are unfair statements or mischaracterizations. Some Ledgies believe in the Bible, some don't. These posts don't change any minds. I do hope, however, that these discussions can promote understanding between those who disagree. That doesn't always happen - and sometimes it seems the opposite occurs - but that's always been my goal.

irishgrl · #**370** 01-18-2005, 11:54 PM

I would rather be "Christ-like" than Christian.
(and YES I have a LONG way to go...)

Brwn_eyes0511 · #**371** 01-18-2005, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by irishgrl

I would rather be "Christ-like" than Christian.

And that is an awsome way to think! I agree.

Brwn_eyes0511 · #**372** 01-18-2005, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by sodascouts

That's the problem - morals can't be "spread." We can state what we believe and why we believe it, and try to live our lives according to what we believe is right, but everyone has to make that choice for themselves. When I join in these discussions (admittedly rarely), it's usually to try to clarify misunderstandings or defend what I feel are unfair statements or mischaracterizations. Some Ledgeies believe in the Bible, some don't. These posts don't change any minds. I do hope, however, that these discussions can promote understanding between those who disagree. That doesn't always happen - and sometimes it seems the opposite occurs - but that's always been my goal.

Thats true and I understand that.

Good Post!