Liar, Liar, Now You're Fired - Page 21

ontheEdgeof17 · #**301** 01-18-2005, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ontheEdgeof17

I know they kissed. I don't have my Bible here to read it.

...and Saul was angry at Jonathan for chosing the Son Of Jesse.....calling him a pervert

Brwn_eyes0511 · #**302** 01-18-2005, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by GypsySorcerer

Really? Try finding the original translations sometime.

News...
There the original greek and hebrew translations of scripture. Which were transfered into latin by St. Jerome, and then into other languages starting with Martin Luther.

It dates back to early Jews, we religous types tend to keep up with our founding documents.

amber · #**303** 01-18-2005, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

Well if you live by that code then murder, rape, etc... can be freely done.

the amendment would just reaffirm that special union that only is shared between one man and one woman, being able to express your love to create another life...to me...it seems to be God's natural order of things, and it really is supported throughout not only the bible, but history.

If it was god's natural order....THERE WOULD BE NO GAY PEOPLE!
HELLO? HELLO, IN THERE?

Brwn_eyes0511 · #**304** 01-18-2005, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by amber

If it was god's natural order....THERE WOULD BE NO GAY PEOPLE!
HELLO? HELLO, IN THERE?

Well thats the thing,

Could it be, and think about this.

That THAT is the cross that God wants you to carry in your life, God blessed you with that cross because he knew that you were strong enough to handle it, devoting your life to God completley and not living the married life. For the bible also says that marriage IS NOT for everyone.

GypsySorcerer · #**305** 01-18-2005, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

News...
There the original greek and hebrew translations of scripture. Which were transfered into latin by St. Jerome, and then into other languages starting with Martin Luther.

It dates back to early Jews, we religous types tend to keep up with our founding documents.

Dear, I've done my research on this. Passages about Jonathan and David's affection for one another were left out.

Brwn_eyes0511 · #**306** 01-18-2005, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ontheEdgeof17

...and Saul was angry at Jonathan for chosing the Son Of Jesse.....calling him a pervert

- I grieve for you, Jonathan my brother; you were very dear to me. Your love for me was wonderful, more wonderful than that of women. (2S.2:26).
- Saul's anger flared up at Jonathan and he said to him, "You son of a perverse and rebellious woman! Don't I know that you have sided with the son of Jesse to your own shame and to the shame of the mother who bore you? As long as the son of Jesse lives on this earth, neither you nor your kingdom will be established. Now send and bring him to me, for he must die!" (1S.20:30).

Jesus and Peter loved each other and they were not homosexuals... and the love of Jesus to Peter was more wonderful than that of a woman!... it is the most you can say of a friend of the same or different sex, specially right after his death... and it does not indicate any homosexuality at all.

The statement od Saul was just out of his character of jealousy and hate towards David whom he wanted to be killed at any cost.

Many fathers and son love each other and it is not homosexuality... many mothers and daughters and many brothers love each other without any homosexuality at all.

Some try to use the story of Jonathan and David and that it shows that the Bible does not condemn homosexuality... wrong!

God Himself states that homosexual acts are a grave sin, "an abomination" (Lev.18:22).

Paul proclaims homosexual acts as "shameful passions" and "perversion", "God has given them up to shameful passions. among them women have exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural, and men too, giving up natural relations with women, burn with their lust for one another, males behave indecently with males, and are paid in their own persons the fitting wage of such perversion" (Rom.1:26-27).

wondergirl9847 · #**307** 01-18-2005, 10:56 PM

1 Corinthians 7 talks about sex and marriage. Paul wrote the Corinthians.

Verse 3: "Husbands and wives should satisfy each other's sexual needs.

Verse 6: "What I have just said is not meant as a command but as a suggestion. I would like everyone to be like me. However, each person has a special gift from God, and these gifts vary from person to person.

Verse 8: "I say to those who are not married, especially to widows: It is good for you to stay single like me.

Verse 9: "However, if you cannot control your desires, you should get married. It is better for you to marry than to burn with sexual desire."

I don't believe that sex is for creation purposes only.

GypsySorcerer · #**308** 01-18-2005, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

Well thats the thing,

Could it be, and think about this.

That THAT is the cross that God wants you to carry in your life, God blessed you with that cross because he knew that you were strong enough to handle it, devoting your life to God completley and not living the married life. For the bible also says that marriage IS NOT for everyone.

If I didn't know better, I'd say you were posting as a charicature of a religous zealot.

Brwn_eyes0511 · #**309** 01-18-2005, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by GypsySorcerer

Dear, I've done my research on this. Passages about Jonathan and David's affection for one another were left out.

Oh dear Lord,

where exactly did you do your "research" on this?

If there is one thing Im pretty solid on its my bible facts. More NT than OT, but I like to stay up to date.

Brwn_eyes0511 · #**310** 01-18-2005, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by GypsySorcerer

If I didn't know better, I'd say you were posting as a charicature of a religous zealot.

How so?

I was just giving them a senario. That's all.

½ ¡Ñ§ÅñË ® · #**311** 01-18-2005, 10:58 PM

I’m just curious here. How many of you have taken time to read the bible?

I know I asked this before and challenged you to try a PC bible study program, but my question got buried in comments that looked like they we’re designed to escape the answer. JMO

sodascouts · #**312** 01-18-2005, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by GypsySorcerer

Here is an analysis:

Jonathan and David

I still don't see any verse that says they were lovers.

GypsySorcerer · #**313** 01-18-2005, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

- I grieve for you, Jonathan my brother; you were very dear to me. Your love for me was wonderful, more wonderful than that of women. (2S.2:26).
- Saul's anger flared up at Jonathan and he said to him, "You son of a perverse and rebellious woman! Don't I know that you have sided with the son of Jesse to your own shame and to the shame of the mother who bore you? As long as the son of Jesse lives on this earth, neither you nor your kingdom will be established. Now send and bring him to me, for he must die!" (1S.20:30).

Jesus and Peter loved each other and they were not homosexuals... and the love of Jesus to Peter was more wonderful than that of a woman!... it is the most you can say of a friend of the same or different sex, specially right after his death... and it does not indicate any homosexuality at all.

The statement od Saul was just out of his character of jealousy and hate towards David whom he wanted to be killed at any cost.

Many fathers and son love each other and it is not homosexuality... many mothers and daughters and many brothers love each other without any homosexuality at all.

Some try to use the story of Jonathan and David and that it shows that the Bible does not condemn homosexuality... wrong!

God Himself states that homosexual acts are a grave sin, "an abomination" (Lev.18:22).

Paul proclaims homosexual acts as "shameful passions" and "perversion", "God has given them up to shameful passions. among them women have exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural, and men too, giving up natural relations with women, burn with their lust for one another, males behave indecently with males, and are paid in their own persons the fitting wage of such perversion" (Rom.1:26-27).

Paul also says he only offers his opinions.

Besides, why should people who don't believe in the Bible have to follow it?

estranged4life · #**314** 01-18-2005, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by wondergirl9847

1 Corinthians 7 talks about sex and marriage. Paul wrote the Corinthians.

Verse 3: "Husbands and wives should satisfy each other's sexual needs.

Verse 6: "What I have just said is not meant as a command but as a suggestion. I would like everyone to be like me. However, each person has a special gift from God, and these gifts vary from person to person.

Verse 8: "I say to those who are not married, especially to widows: It is good for you to stay single like me.

Verse 9: "However, if you cannot control your desires, you should get married. It is better for you to marry than to burn with sexual desire."

I don't believe that sex is for creation purposes
only.

I would rather have more music to listen than sex, Sad but amazingly true!!!!!

Brwn_eyes0511 · #**315** 01-18-2005, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by wondergirl9847

1 Corinthians 7 talks about sex and marriage. Paul wrote the Corinthians.

Verse 3: "Husbands and wives should satisfy each other's sexual needs.

Verse 6: "What I have just said is not meant as a command but as a suggestion. I would like everyone to be like me. However, each person has a special gift from God, and these gifts vary from person to person.

Verse 8: "I say to those who are not married, especially to widows: It is good for you to stay single like me.

Verse 9: "However, if you cannot control your desires, you should get married. It is better for you to marry than to burn with sexual desire."

I don't believe that sex is for creation purposes only.

Its main purpose is for producing life as God stated in the garden, but SURE of course it offers pleasure, but that pleasure in the process of creation.