This proves Bush doesnt care about the little guy

[Hawkeye]

Originally Posted by ½ ¡Ñ§ÅñË ®

Well I talked to God about a few things last night and I’m not posting the conversation. I will say what I got out of it was “God loves us all the way we are.” Were all sinners and sin is sin. One sin is no worse then the other and my sins are no worse then yours.

I’m sure this is going to sound very stupid to a few of you but it’s my decision. I belong to 2 other message boards. One is a small private board with around 3,000 members. The other has well over 104,000 members. I guess because this board is somewhat small the threads tend to go off in directions I don’t particularly care for. There’s a lot of love here but a lot of picking too. We all have a right to our own opinions but it’s getting old.

I’ll be visiting to catch the band news but I won’t be posting here anymore. It’s been fun but I’m moving on. That’s my decision and mine alone. I wish you all peace and happiness in you’re lives.

I will be adding one more thread to this forum that I found on my private board. It was eye opening and I’ll check back to see your thoughts on it. Take care folks and keep safe.

Huh, you're responsible most of the time for threads going in different direction and now it bothers you

And tell me more about this conversation with god, did you actually hear words. I've always wondered about those people, I've tried to do that before but don't hear a dnam thing. Jesse Duplantis (a christian preacher I LOVE) talks about that all the time too, but I've had no luck.

[irishgrl]

I think 1/2 Insane said some really gracious things, and should get credit for them. Bowing out with class is never a bad thing!

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Originally Posted by DrummerDeanna

Proud Catholic on this board who has disagreed with pretty much EVERYTHING that BrwnEyes or whatever has said...

what he/she has said, to me, ipitomizes all that is wrong with the Catholic Church and its antiquated views on the world....why do I remain a Catholic?

There are good things about it (social justice issues) and I do like the traditions and I have a personal spiritual relationship with myself and God - in no way should any of my views be imposed on anyone...

eh - there's SO much I want to say - but just can't sit here at type all of it - it's frightening though that such ignorance, hatred and such exist and are carried out in the guise of religion - people like that are missing the whole point...

Im so glad you are a Golden Girls fan...best show in the world!

but about being Catholic...im 100% proud catholic...but perhaps you need to refresh up on what the chruch actually does teach about gay marriage

[amber]

Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

Im so glad you are a Golden Girls fan...best show in the world!

but about being Catholic...im 100% proud catholic...but perhaps you need to refresh up on what the chruch actually does teach about gay marriage

Ooooo, You're brave! that's good.
I won't argue with you, now.
I believe i forgot to say: Welcome to the Ledge! Last night.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Originally Posted by amber

Ooooo, You're brave! that's good.
I won't argue with you, now.
I believe i forgot to say: Welcome to the Ledge! Last night.

Thank you much! :-)

What did you mean by me being brave....? lol

[amber]

Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

Thank you much! :-)

What did you mean by me being brave....? lol

well, you saw the onslought of arguments against your position last night, I suspect Deanna may argue again, and maybe some other people. So, I meant, after all the people who argued with you, you're brave to post about your position again. To tell the truth, this place is very liberal. Not everyone, but i would say the majority. And many are very passionate about their views. And i would daresay you may find people who agree with you here veeery few and far between. And many post political things often, and talk about them. They are mostly liberal.
But, you were not put off. That's what i meant.
But, we all love FM.
Welcome again...

[irishgrl]

but perhaps you need to refresh up on what the chruch actually does teach about gay marriage

I could care LESS what any CHURCH says about Gay marriage...I think its significant that in the ENTIRE BIBLE there is NOT ONE mention of GOD forbidding relations between same sex partners. If anyone can point out something that Jesus or God actually said regarding Homosexuality, please let me know. God only had 10 commandments, and Jesus had only ONE.

Churches are run by men. men with an agenda. I dont trust most of them.
and after reading the Da Vinci Code, Im not sure I much admire the Catholic Church either. And before anyone starts denouncing the Da Vinci Code, they had better take a good long look at Dan Brown's Bibliography for that book. Much of his material came from the Vatican Archives! Jealously guarded by the Catholic Church itself! The fox is truly guarding the hen house!

[amber]

Originally Posted by irishgrl

I could care LESS what any CHURCH says about Gay marriage...I think its significant that in the ENTIRE BIBLE there is NOT ONE mention of GOD forbidding relations between same sex partners. If anyone can point out something that Jesus or God actually said regarding Homosexuality, please let me know. God only had 10 commandments, and Jesus had only ONE.

Churches are run by men. men with an agenda. I dont trust most of them.
and after reading the Da Vinci Code, Im not sure I much admire the Catholic Church either. And before anyone starts denouncing the Da Vinci Code, they had better take a good long look at Dan Brown's Bibliography for that book. Much of his material came from the Vatican Archives! Jealously guarded by the Catholic Church itself! The fox is truly guarding the hen house!

ooo, I didn't read the biblio! That's really interesting! But there is so many misdeeds the Catholic church has committed since the dawn of it, it's really staggering. right up till last week, too.
On a sidenote...wow! An Irish girl who's not Catholic! LOL. I am half Italian, quarter Irish, quarter french and Native Am. I was baptized Catholic, but not raised with it. But my dad was an alter boy, and sometimes he still says: "well, it's the oldest religion..."

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

im 100% proud catholic...but perhaps you need to refresh up on what the chruch actually does teach about gay marriage

The Vatican charged Galileo, at the time 68 years old, with heresy for teaching the Copernican theory, which contradicted the bible.
With the threat of torture, the Vatican forced Galileo to confess that he had been wrong when he stated the Earth revolved around the Sun.

It wasn't until 1992... 350 years after his death... that the Vatican finally cleared Galileo of wrongdoing.

The moral of the story... the Catholic Church isn't always right.
Something to think about.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Originally Posted by irishgrl

I could care LESS what any CHURCH says about Gay marriage...I think its significant that in the ENTIRE BIBLE there is NOT ONE mention of GOD forbidding relations between same sex partners. If anyone can point out something that Jesus or God actually said regarding Homosexuality, please let me know. God only had 10 commandments, and Jesus had only ONE.

Churches are run by men. men with an agenda. I dont trust most of them.
and after reading the Da Vinci Code, Im not sure I much admire the Catholic Church either. And before anyone starts denouncing the Da Vinci Code, they had better take a good long look at Dan Brown's Bibliography for that book. Much of his material came from the Vatican Archives! Jealously guarded by the Catholic Church itself! The fox is truly guarding the hen house!

Genesis 19:1-13; Leviticus 18:22; Romans 1:26-27; 1 Corinthians 6:9

Marriage is ordained by God to be between a man and a woman (Genesis 2:21-24; Matthew 19:4-6)

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

The Vatican charged Galileo, at the time 68 years old, with heresy for teaching the Copernican theory, which contradicted the bible.
With the threat of torture, the Vatican forced Galileo to confess that he had been wrong when he stated the Earth revolved around the Sun.

It wasn't until 1992... 350 years after his death... that the Vatican finally cleared Galileo of wrongdoing.

The moral of the story... the Catholic Church isn't always right.
Something to think about.

I'm not an idiot I realize that...The Pope could come out tomorrow and announce who he thinks will go to the super bowl and win...and he'd probably end up being DEAD WRONG! ONLY on matters of faith (when the Holy Father speaks excathedra) are we required to accept the teachings...wheather the world is round or flat...is not a matter of faith but opinion...and the church was DEAD wrong at that time...but it is the faith of the people that in matters of faith the chruch is guided by the Holy Spirit and correct!

[GypsySorcerer]

Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

Genesis 19:1-13; Leviticus 18:22; Romans 1:26-27; 1 Corinthians 6:9

Marriage is ordained by God to be between a man and a woman (Genesis 2:21-24; Matthew 19:4-6)

You're missing the point - one cannot use the Bible to legislate.

Theologically, your facts are sketchy, too. The Bible mentions nothing of homosexual marriage and nothing about how we understand homosexuality today. Those Scriptures have been widely regarded to condemn rape and adult/child sex, not homosexuality.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Originally Posted by GypsySorcerer

You're missing the point - one cannot use the Bible to legislate.

Theologically, your facts are sketchy, too. The Bible mentions nothing of homosexual marriage and nothing about how we understand homosexuality today. Those Scriptures have been widely regarded to condemn rape and adult/child sex, not homosexuality.

Hey I was just presenting some scripture which is what was asked for...how you view it is how you choose to!

[GypsySorcerer]

Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

Hey I was just presenting some scripture which is what was asked for...how you view it is how you choose to!

Exactly - the Bible is up for interpretation. There is no "one right way" to view the Bible. Just like there is no "one right religion."

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

Genesis 19:1-13; Leviticus 18:22; Romans 1:26-27; 1 Corinthians 6:9

Marriage is ordained by God to be between a man and a woman (Genesis 2:21-24; Matthew 19:4-6)

Timothy 2:8-15 — I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting. In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works. Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

Shall we talk further on how the bible states that woman should always be lowly to men? How they should not work outside of the house, nor even so much as teach Sunday School?

How closely do you follow those particular passages of the bible, personally? Does the Biblical ideal of women being submissive to men seem terribly antiquated and sexist to you? Or are you completely comfortable with it, "because it's what the bible says"?