This proves Bush doesnt care about the little guy

[amber]

Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

again im sorry if it comes off that way...but I just have my belifs and Im sorry that they offend some people! but oh well...I hope no one hates me...because I hate no one...I try to be a beacon for all...as all christians are called to be...and I try so hard not to be judgmental...but I still believe what I believe...so that said

I apologize for anyone who may have been personally hurt!

Well, obviously i can't question your right to believe what you believe, but your beliefs and votes hurt other people...people who believe what they believe, and live like they live, and don't think the gov't should have any say over their basic human rights that are afforded to all other Americans. Therein lies the quandry....

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

But thats the thing...I have said over and over (hey christine pun..lol) that I don't think that ANYONE is beneath ANYONE...we are all equal! PERIOD.

But, to say that gays don't deserve the right to marry, because marriage should be reserved solely for heterosexual couples, IS stating that homosexuals are beneath heterosexuals.
Excluding one group of people from a right that is afforded others, is implying a belief that they're less worthy.

I believe you said you're a female... well, looking back prior to the 1920s, do you feel it was fair that females were not allowed to vote? Do you agree with the then-popular notion that such important decision-making should only be left to males, because the Bible so obviously states that women should play submissive roles to men?

Are women now going against God's wishes by working outside of the home, and voting, and generally finding themselves in roles more equal to males?

[½ ¡Ñ§ÅñË ®]

I’m going to throw in my 2¢. I love my God and enjoy the spiritual relationship I have with my God. I find the PC bible study program I have very fascinating. The bible teaches great values to live by and I believe most of the bible was written having good intentions. The problem with it is, yes man wrote it.

My thoughts on male homosexuals? I’m sorry I don’t understand it. I don’t hate anyone for being a homosexual but damn it men how can you look at another man and find him sexually attractive? I really can not fathom that. As far as a woman finding another woman sexually attractive I can deal with that. Strange isn’t it?

The main reason I popped in is to say “ After reading a good bit of this thread I need to talk to my God about what some of you have said.” I’m guilty of having been closed minded about gay males. I still don’t understand you men looking at each other’s winkies. Thinking about it will probably always make my skin crawl but I am seeing your views with a new light tonight.

Like I said “I don’t hate you”, but come on guys. The world is full of beautiful women. What the….. Why do you….. How can you….. Ewww.

Crap I give up.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by takenbythesky

Johnny Stew...Once again, the power of your words has brought tears to my eyes. Thank you, thank you, thank you, for saying that. Thank you for, once again, bringing the urgent reality of the situation to my full attention. God bless you.

Justin... I don't know what to say. I'm touched and honored that you were moved by my comments. That means a lot to me.

We have to keep fighting the good fight.
For Jimmy, and for everyone like him....

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by ½ ¡Ñ§ÅñË ®

My thoughts on male homosexuals? I’m sorry I don’t understand it. I don’t hate anyone for being a homosexual but damn it men how can you look at another man and find him sexually attractive? I really can not fathom that. As far as a woman finding another woman sexually attractive I can deal with that. Strange isn’t it?

The main reason I popped in is to say “ After reading a good bit of this thread I need to talk to my God about what some of you have said.” I’m guilty of having been closed minded about gay males. I still don’t understand you men looking at each other’s winkies. Thinking about it will probably always make my skin crawl but I am seeing your views with a new light tonight.

Like I said “I don’t hate you”, but come on guys. The world is full of beautiful women. What the….. Why do you….. How can you….. Ewww.

Crap I give up.

I don't expect everyone to share the emotional and physical response that I have for other males, or to even understand it... so long as they respect me, and recognize that I am a human being who is worthy of the same rights afforded to others.

And, think of it this way, 1/2.... the more gay men there are, the less competition there is for you.

Plus, who can explain why they're attracted to something?
I'm sure you're not really attracted to ALL types of women. Nor am I attracted to all types of men.
We're captivated by certain people for certain reasons... their intelligence, their smile, their eyes, their chests (whether it be pecs or breasts), their legs, their backsides, the way they challenge us intellectually or arouse us physically, the way they smell, and so on.

There are a multitude of ways that someone might be attractive to us, just as there are a multitude of ways in which someone might be unattractive to us.

The difference between what any two straight men might find attractive in the opposite sex, can be as profound as the difference between what a straight man and a gay man find attractive in prospective romantic partners.

And for those straight guys who are attracted to extremely aggressive, muscular women like Lori on 'Amazing Race'... well, the difference between what they like and what some gay men like, might not be all that profound after all!

[irishgrl]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye

hate to break it to you, but the woman didn't make the baby by herself, she had a little help from someone.

Too true too true. Therefore, since men and their unruly penises are the PROBLEM, I say mandatory CHASTITY BELTS FOR ALL MALES! Voila! no more problem!


ps: you start a thread, you go away for a few days and you come back and MY GAWD! its mutated into a MONSTER! but mighty fun reading gang! Keep up the good work!

[GateandGarden]

Originally Posted by ½ ¡Ñ§ÅñË ®

I’m going to throw in my 2¢. I love my God and enjoy the spiritual relationship I have with my God. I find the PC bible study program I have very fascinating. The bible teaches great values to live by and I believe most of the bible was written having good intentions. The problem with it is, yes man wrote it.

My thoughts on male homosexuals? I’m sorry I don’t understand it. I don’t hate anyone for being a homosexual but damn it men how can you look at another man and find him sexually attractive? I really can not fathom that. As far as a woman finding another woman sexually attractive I can deal with that. Strange isn’t it?

The main reason I popped in is to say “ After reading a good bit of this thread I need to talk to my God about what some of you have said.” I’m guilty of having been closed minded about gay males. I still don’t understand you men looking at each other’s winkies. Thinking about it will probably always make my skin crawl but I am seeing your views with a new light tonight.

Like I said “I don’t hate you”, but come on guys. The world is full of beautiful women. What the….. Why do you….. How can you….. Ewww.

Crap I give up.

1/2 Insane, I can understand why attraction to men is foreign to you since you're straight, but I would think that a woman's attraction to a man would be just as foreign to you.

[DrummerDeanna]

Wow - I read the first page and the just for kicks jumped all the way to the last page - and wow...it seems I need to read back to see where this topic veered way off track

As for the original thing - I knew this was happening last year - I did a story on a local homeless shelter and program that tries to get people out of homelessness - and they knew these cuts in HUD were looming - and sadly that is going to leave a large chunk of people homeless - it's very sad.

Now - I'll try and muster up the energy to see where this thread veered and read all 33 pages of it....

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by DrummerDeanna

Wow - I read the first page and the just for kicks jumped all the way to the last page - and wow...it seems I need to read back to see where this topic veered way off track

As for the original thing - I knew this was happening last year - I did a story on a local homeless shelter and program that tries to get people out of homelessness - and they knew these cuts in HUD were looming - and sadly that is going to leave a large chunk of people homeless - it's very sad.

Now - I'll try and muster up the energy to see where this thread veered and read all 33 pages of it....

Well...you might just want to skim it.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

I just hate being alone on this (no conservatives here to back me up)

No facts to back you up, either. Coulter never let that stop her.

[DrummerDeanna]

Originally Posted by GateandGarden

We have Catholics on this board who disagree. There are numerous gay Christian organizations who disagree.

And I absolutely cannot believe you're still asking us not to be angry. Do you understand at all that I am saving myself for marriage?!?!?

Proud Catholic on this board who has disagreed with pretty much EVERYTHING that BrwnEyes or whatever has said...

what he/she has said, to me, ipitomizes all that is wrong with the Catholic Church and its antiquated views on the world....why do I remain a Catholic?

There are good things about it (social justice issues) and I do like the traditions and I have a personal spiritual relationship with myself and God - in no way should any of my views be imposed on anyone...

eh - there's SO much I want to say - but just can't sit here at type all of it - it's frightening though that such ignorance, hatred and such exist and are carried out in the guise of religion - people like that are missing the whole point...

[DrummerDeanna]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

Everyone SHOULD believe in something, in my opinion. I feel a belief in a being higher than ourselves, inspires us to continue working towards being better people.

BUT... when God/Jesus/The Bible is used as an excuse for discriminatory and prejudicial thoughts and opinions, that's simply wrong.

Anyone who paid attention, should know that God is about UNCONDITIONAL LOVE.
HE would never condone treating people as if they're second-class citizens, and HE would most certainly never condone using His name to excuse exclusionary behaviour.

If people feel they're "doing God's work," by preventing gays from having equal rights in employment, housing and spousal benefits, then I have a feeling they're going to be in for a terribly rude awakening when they go knock, knock, knockin' on Heaven's door.

Right - what he said!!! well put Brian!!

[Sugar]

I need to start staying up later...

The point is that Brwn Eyes and everyone else does have the right to BELIEVE whatever they like. Brwn Eyes kept saying, "Sorry it's what I believe," and really you can believe whatever you like. But when you start trying to LEGISLATE your BELIEF system based on nothing other than the fact that your BELIEF system somehow gives you the right to do so that there's a problem. No matter how right you think you are, trying to force others to adhere to your belief system (via the implementation of laws) is unconstitutional.

Because (you think) God said so, on its own, is not a reason to make a law.

Period.

[SuzeQuze]

Originally Posted by Sugar

I need to start staying up later...

The point is that Brwn Eyes and everyone else does have the right to BELIEVE whatever they like. Brwn Eyes kept saying, "Sorry it's what I believe," and really you can believe whatever you like. But when you start trying to LEGISLATE your BELIEF system based on nothing other than the fact that your BELIEF system somehow gives you the right to do so that there's a problem. No matter how right you think you are, trying to force others to adhere to your belief system (via the implementation of laws) is unconstitutional.

Because (you think) God said so, on its own, is not a reason to make a law.

Period.

Very well said, Sugar. I stayed up 'til one debating this and today I'm exhausted!

[DrummerDeanna]

Yes indeed, very well said Sugar

This is my biggest issue right now..that people think that their religious beliefs should hold true for everyone...

So that said if someone could give me a logical, smart and well-thought out reason against homosexuality or gay-marriage - that has NOTHING to do with religion - I'm all ears - but no one can do that....therefore it shouldn't even be a political issue etc....urhg....I'm just all frustrated and agitated now after reading through this thread...