What You Have Not Heard

[amber]

Originally Posted by dissention

It's just that I have so many that I'll never get to half of them while I'm alive. I'm a book snob, though, it has to be something really fantastic for me to like it.

Ah. I'll read any damn thing. And in fact, prefer mystery and fantasy, so, it's not like there's a shortage of those...I guess you spend a lot of time listening to music and watching DVD's that i spend reading? By the way, send those books to me, i'll finish em!!!!

[dissention]

Originally Posted by amber

well, i had to, that's all there was left by the time i could buy it. Also, when i snuck in and saw them in Oakland from way back the year before, i promised myself that if I ever saw them again, i would be in front. Lo and behold, extended tour. They were also playing at my stadiums right next to my 30th birthday, so that was another extenuating circumstance. It's like it was fated....However, normally i would never, ever pay that much. I actually won tickets to the show, but they were lawn, and there was no way. Plus, I really thought i would never have a chance to see all of them again, after they did the DAnce. so it was really, really, like i had to do it. Next time i'm gonna have a fund saved, so i can get front row at a normal price.

Wait, I actually did pay that much when I saw Bette Midler. My bad. Ah, how quickly we forget...

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by ontheEdgeof17

That's the worst excuse I have ever heard. When wasn't there "trouble behind the scenes?" Klonopin or not.

"Trouble behind the scenes" in that the original producer, Glyn Johns, blocked Stevie from using many of the musicians she was friends with and had worked with on her albums in the past... such as Waddy Wachtel.

And "trouble behind the scenes," in that Johns basically dictated what he felt the album should sound like, with apparently little regard to what STEVIE wanted her album to sound like.

Once Johns was out of the picture, Stevie and Thom Panunzio stripped many of the tracks back, and began overdubbing new instrumentation on top (including guitar work from Waddy).
Mixing and re-mixing the existing material in order to achieve a sound closer to what Stevie had originally wanted.

It's a great album, IMO, but due to the extent of the remixing and overdubbing, it lacks some of that spatial "breathing room" that her past music had.

So... the "trouble behind the scenes" that I was referring to, was in regards to the recording of the album itself, and not to any troubles in Stevie's personal life.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by amber

Ah. I'll read any damn thing. And in fact, prefer mystery and fantasy, so, it's not like there's a shortage of those...I guess you spend a lot of time listening to music and watching DVD's that i spend reading? By the way, send those books to me, i'll finish em!!!!

Oh, I'm always reading, and probably listening to music while doing so, but I'm just very snobby and picky. I actually like a lot of the Oprah picks.

[amber]

Originally Posted by dissention

Wait, I actually did pay that much when I saw Bette Midler. My bad. Ah, how quickly we forget...

A-Ha! (can't believe you paid that much for Bette...)

[dissention]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

"Trouble behind the scenes" in that the original producer, Glyn Johns, blocked Stevie from using many of the musicians she was friends with and had worked with on her albums in the past... such as Waddy Wachtel.

And "trouble behind the scenes," in that Johns basically dictated what he felt the album should sound like, with apparently little regard to what STEVIE wanted her album to sound like.

Once Johns was out of the picture, Stevie and Thom Panunzio stripped many of the tracks back, and began overdubbing new instrumentation on top (including guitar work from Waddy).
Mixing and re-mixing the existing material in order to achieve a sound closer to that of what Stevie had originally wanted.

It's a great album, IMO, but due to the extent of the remixing and overdubbing, it lacks some of that spatial "breathing room" that her past music had.

So... the "trouble behind the scenes" that I was referring to, was in regards to the recording of the album itself, and not to any troubles in Stevie's personal life.

I've never understood this. Stevie has admitted to being an unpleasant person during this time and said she fired a lot of good people, why she didn't get rid of Johns is a mystery to me.

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Originally Posted by dissention

Oh, I'm always reading, and probably listening to music while doing so, but I'm just very snobby and picky. I actually like a lot of the Oprah picks.

well, she picks good ones. I like those books too. I love when she has Toni Morrison on - I love her books and that woman is radiant with intelligence and class. Oprah, i could do without!

[amber]

Originally Posted by takenbythesky

The Divine Miss M was supposed to be just about the best thing on the road this year, or so I heard...

And, Amber? I read lots of books without spending a lot--the library can be a wonderful place!

yes, i know, i heard it was a great show. The library's ok. I actually owe them thirty five dollars from a book that flipped out of my backpack when i was rollerblading back from the pool last summer... It was a crappy book, is the worst part....

[dissention]

Originally Posted by takenbythesky

The Divine Miss M was supposed to be just about the best thing on the road this year, or so I heard...

Yup. Homegirl can put on a show that would knock every other singer/entertainer flat on their ass. She's not a woman in her fifties, she's a force of f*cking nature. I'll say it until I die, she's the greatest live act to hit the stage so far in history.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by amber

well, she picks good ones. I like those books too. I love when she has Toni Morrison on - I love her books and that woman is radiant with intelligence and class. Oprah, i could do without!

I like Morrison, too. I also like Jane Hamilton, Wally Lamb (Shes Come Undone is fabulous), Jane Smiley, Michael Cunnigham, and Sue Miller. Once Were Warriors by Alan Duff is phenomenal, too.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by dissention

I've never understood this. Stevie has admitted to being an unpleasant person during this time and said she fired a lot of good people, why she didn't get rid of Johns is a mystery to me.

Good question!
I've read from other artists who've worked with him, that he could be a very stubborn and intimidating man. Maybe Stevie felt overwhelmed? Or maybe it was just that she was initially too zoned-out to fight?

I know she's said that it was really AFTER she detoxed from the Klonopin, and went back to listen to the masters, that she totally panicked about how the album sounded and realized she needed to do something about it before it was released.

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Originally Posted by dissention

I like Morrison, too. I also like Jane Hamilton, Wally Lamb (Shes Come Undone is fabulous), Jane Smiley, Michael Cunnigham, and Sue Miller. Once Were Warriors by Alan Duff is phenomenal, too.

Out of those, i think I've only read Wally Lamb and ...maybe Sue Miller. Is Once Were Warriors the one the movie was made of? I like depressing books, but not as much as non depressing books...thus, mystery and fantasy...

[GypsySorcerer]

Originally Posted by dissention

I like Morrison, too. I also like Jane Hamilton, Wally Lamb (Shes Come Undone is fabulous), Jane Smiley, Michael Cunnigham, and Sue Miller. Once Were Warriors by Alan Duff is phenomenal, too.

Was Cunningham the author of The Hours? Great book. Can't think of the Sue Miller book I read....something about a woman pondering an affair. Of course, that could mean any number of books.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by GypsySorcerer

Was Cunningham the author of The Hours? Great book. Can't think of the Sue Miller book I read....something about a woman pondering an affair. Of course, that could mean any number of books.

Yup. LOVED The Hours.

The one you're thinking of by Miller is While I Was Gone.

[GypsySorcerer]

Originally Posted by dissention

Yup. LOVED The Hours.

The one you're thinking of by Miller is While I Was Gone.

That was the one. I finished The Hours in less than a day. I couldn't put it down. Brilliant.