Anti-evolution teachings gain foothold in U.S. schools

[dissention]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Then all of nathematics is bogus according to this limited and IMO myopic standard

Talk to somebody else about math, I'm dumb as two fence posts when it comes to the subject.

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

You "solution" has no practical application in the real world and you know it.

My "solution" worked pretty damn well when I was in public school and it was dealt with the exact same way. We had permission slips sent home for science class for us to be able to go to class that involved evolution. It was stipulated that there would be no discussion of religion. And it worked perfectly well. But the Christian's of this country want to have all the cake and to eat it all, too.

But, I forgot, your reality is everyone else's.

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Plus, as long as the public school teacher is not trying to establish one religion as THE religion, no law is being broken. I just for the life of me cannot see the harm in a teacher answering those questions and provoking thought in a student. But the far left and the far right go apoplectic at the mention of the thought Thus, the battle rages on . . .

Because it is up to me, not my kids teacher, whether or not I want him or her exposed to such religious swill.

[ontheEdgeof17]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Do you honestly think it will not come up every time?

That's when you say, "That is to be discussed with your parents and spiritual leader." It's the proper thing to say when you are in a teaching role and not one of a professional religious leader.

[GateandGarden]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Well, then when the questions come from the kids regarding why this conflicts with their religion, the teacher should just hand out pre printed cards that say - "sorry we cannot discuss that" You "solution" has no practical application in the real world and you know it. Plus, as long as the public school teacher is not trying to establish one religion as THE religion, no law is being broken. I just for the life of me cannot see the harm in a teacher answering those questions and provoking thought in a student. But the far left and the far right go apoplectic at the mention of the thought Thus, the battle rages on . . .

But a teacher cannot prepare for every problem every students of every religion may have with a concept. They might be having a lesson on dinosaurs and a student could say "My religion does not believe that dinosaurs existed." A sex education class may be discussing forms of birth control and a student might say "The Pope believes that it is wrong to use contraceptives." Must the teacher anticipate all of these issues and incorporate explanations in his/her lesson plans for each one?

Hillary

[dissention]

Originally Posted by ontheEdgeof17

That's when you say, "That is to be discussed with your parents and spiritual leader." It's the proper thing to say when you are in a teaching role and not one of a professional religious leader.

BINGO!

[ontheEdgeof17]

Originally Posted by dissention

BINGO!

Taking School Law/Nusing in Schools as an elective DID teach me something.

[wondergirl9847]

I think religion is historical and scientific and should be taught in school. All forms of religion...cults included, atheism, agnosticism (is that the right word? LOL). It's reality, deal.

[GateandGarden]

Originally Posted by ontheEdgeof17

That's when you say, "That is to be discussed with your parents and spiritual leader." It's the proper thing to say when you are in a teaching role and not one of a professional religious leader.

Yes, Curtis' statement is making me change my mind...as an educator you put yourself in a bad position even by saying, "Yes, Joel, scientists say such and such and some religious instituions do argue that..." because that can easily be crossing the line and it's also far too easy for the teacher to misrepresent some religious institution in trying to speak for them in this way.

Hillary

[dissention]

Originally Posted by ontheEdgeof17

Taking School Law/Nusing in Schools as an elective DID teach me something.

You do know what Jason will retort with, dontcha?

"When evolution comes up, that's when you say, 'That is to be discussed with your parents and local scientist.' It's the proper thing to say when you are in a teaching role and not one of a professional scientist."

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by dissention

Talk to somebody else about math, I'm dumb as two fence posts when it comes to the subject.

no need to state the obvious

Originally Posted by dissention

My "solution" worked pretty damn well when I was in public school and it was dealt with the exact same way. We had permission slips sent home for science class for us to be able to go to class that involved evolution. It was stipulated that there would be no discussion of religion. And it worked perfectly well. But the Christian's of this country want to have all the cake and to eat it all, too.

But, I forgot, your reality is everyone else's.

Because it is up to me, not my kids teacher, whether or not I want him or her exposed to such religious swill.

I think that is avoiding a debate that could make kids smarter and more prepared for the real worls.

As for not exposing your kids to that, you better turn off the t.v. and radio and never let them read a magazine - talk about not living the real world

Finally, you are once again limiting this to Christians, which is silly of you. Would you object to your kids learing about Hindu or Buddahist ideas or the ideas of the Wiccans, etc. I think not - but you will say yes just to be hard headed

[GypsySorcerer]

I do believe in evolution, but I think that the miraculous evolution of human beings was guided by a Higher Power.

And since I have no fact to base this on, it should not be taught in public schools.

[ontheEdgeof17]

Originally Posted by wondergirl9847

I think religion is historical and scientific and should be taught in school. All forms of religion...cults included, atheism, agnosticism (is that the right word? LOL). It's reality, deal.

If the child elects to take the course, I agree completely. It shouldn't be forced, just recommended.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by wondergirl9847

I think religion is historical and scientific and should be taught in school. All forms of religion...cults included, atheism, agnosticism (is that the right word? LOL). It's reality, deal.

But I'm asking how religion is scientific, yet I've gotten nothing.

And atheism is not a religion, it's a belief on how things should run.

[GateandGarden]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Finally, you are once again limiting this to Christians, which is silly of you. Would you object to your kids learing about Hindu or Buddahist ideas or the ideas of the Wiccans, etc. I think not - but you will say yes just to be hard headed

Well, diss is against organized religion in general, not just Christianity, right?

Hillary

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by dissention

But you're argument is flawed, Christy. If there is/was a God, he/it would have had to come from something. How could he/it come from nothing to create everything? It defies logic, IMO.

Nice!
On the whole, I think the baby jesus is highly overrated...

[wondergirl9847]

Originally Posted by dissention

Talk to somebody else about math, I'm dumb as two fence posts when it comes to the subject.

Me too. Geez, it's really sad with me, seriously. LOL