Colin Powell resigns - Page 7

dissention · #91 11-15-2004, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I am just merely pointing out within the context of the lesser of two evils Powell argument we were having earlier that the US history has other examples of us blowing up Iraqi's in the name of WMD and Kerry supported it both times

And I don't disagree.

I simply disagree with the assertion that Kerry wanted to go to war in 1998. He did not.

dissention · #92 11-15-2004, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

and I'd take him back in a minute over W, whom I abhor

Again, show me one time where I have apologized for W, Clinton, or anyone else. I'm waiting

But and again, nice try and it sounds good no matter how untrue and hollow you know it is

You are an apologist. We've talked about these issues for over a year, if you don't see it, you never will. Go quote yourself (posts only go back until April, though, when you do a search). Justifying Bush's actions by comparing them to Clinton's is the sign of a true apologist, IMO.

As for Clinton, he practically turned into a right-winger in his second term. I had no use for him.

strandinthewind · #93 11-15-2004, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention

And I don't disagree.

I simply disagree with the assertion that Kerry wanted to go to war in 1998. He did not.

Then why didn't he condemn Clinton for using missles and risking war. Why didn't he come out and say Mr. Pres. how dare you take us to the brink of war when it was not necessary. he never said that. Rather, he continued to say for four years that SH was a huge threat and the US needed to deal with him. Then, he votes to gove W the authority to use military force and, a la Clinton, it was to be used only when necessary, which W did not use caution doing and badly so IMO and he shopuld be impeached for it - (BTW calling for impeachment is NOT a subtle way of apologizing for W

I think you are making Kerry out to be this anti-war person his voting record after the first gulf war clearly indicates he is not. But, I agree, Kerry did not want to go to war. I do nopt think Clinton did either. But that was not my point, which was they were willing to risk it - again you have yet to say that they risked it due to the Isreal complication, which you must know was present. They thought SH was that great of a threat

dissention · #94 11-15-2004, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I think you are making Kerry out to be this anti-war person his voting record after the first gulf war clearly indicates he is not.

Not at all. If he was anti-war, he wouldn't have voted for Iraq. Nice try, though. Face the facts: he advocated missile strikes and nothing more.

strandinthewind · #95 11-15-2004, 07:20 PM

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Not at all. If he was anti-war, he wouldn't have voted for Iraq. Nice try, though. Face the facts: he advocated missile strikes and nothing more.

and those strikes could have lead to all out war if Isreal retaliated against a strike on them. But, I suppose you think that was never a threat

if you do, you must have missed the world's collective holding of its breath

strandinthewind · #96 11-15-2004, 07:21 PM

BTW - CNN just announced Condi is the nominee

dissention · #97 11-15-2004, 07:23 PM

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BTW - CNN just announced Condi is the nominee

And you're surprised? She told Dimson ages ago that she wanted a different post or she'd go back to being a corporate shill.

madformac · #98 11-15-2004, 07:23 PM

Hi Dissention, Strand and Amber...

Just wanted to jump in, say hi and make sure we had a few more voices on this thread!!

Now I've said hello I'm going....

But before I do I just wanted to add that any respect I had for Powell went out of the window when he accepted a key role in W's gang. Having said that I think the bad ship Bush is in a world of **** without his calming influence and I think his leaving is an indication of what lies ahead for the world for the next four years. Powell is an intelligent man (yes the Bush administration had one) and whatever was said behind the scenes about Bush's future agenda has prompted Powell to go in my opinion, whatever the "official" reason was....

That worries me a lot...

strandinthewind · #99 11-15-2004, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention

Justifying Bush's actions by comparing them to Clinton's is the sign of a true apologist, IMO.

But, I am not doing that. I think both were bad. I have never said well if Clinton could do it then W could as well. I think W lied to us when he could not sell the case to the UN and should be impeached for it. I do not think the same about Clinton however (does that make me a Clinton apologist

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How that is "[j]ustifying Bush's actions by comparing them to Clinton's" is beyond me. But, you apparently like the sound of that word even thopugh you misapply it

strandinthewind · #**100** 11-15-2004, 07:27 PM

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And you're surprised? She told Dimson ages ago that she wanted a different post or she'd go back to being a corporate shill.

No not at all. As I feared, Powell is looking better all of the time

and madformac

I agree, I think Powell left for that reason. I, quite frankly, am amazed he stayed as long as he did, but, despite his faults and there were many, I truly believe without him Rumsfeld would have been far worse and gotten away with far more.

Lest Diss call me an apologist again, I am not apologizing or defending any of Powells actions. I am just saying I'd rather have him in there than Rice

amber · #**101** 11-15-2004, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by madformac

Hi Dissention, Strand and Amber...

Just wanted to jump in, say hi and make sure we had a few more voices on this thread!!

Now I've said hello I'm going....

But before I do I just wanted to add that any respect I had for Powell went out of the window when he accepted a key role in W's gang. Having said that I think the bad ship Bush is in a world of **** without his calming influence and I think his leaving is an indication of what lies ahead for the world for the next four years. Powell is an intelligent man (yes the Bush administration had one) and whatever was said behind the scenes about Bush's future agenda has prompted Powell to go in my opinion, whatever the "official" reason was....

That worries me a lot...

Yep. Like my friend said, I think those people smell indictments coming.

The Tower · #**102** 11-15-2004, 07:53 PM

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Quote me. I dare you. I have always maintained that W's actions in Iraq were horrible - period.

Not really.......

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All I have ever said was SH brought some of it on himself by refusing, according to the UN and every world leader, for 11 years to live up to his end of the contract that ended the first Gulf War. If he had complied, there would have been no current war. But, he did not. How is that apologizing for W

When you point out the "actions ... were horrible - period" thing, it should have been just that- period.

Adding on all that other stuff just distracts from the reality of the situation. Dubya wanted to invade Iraq no matter what. Saddam Hussein could have been sucking Paul Wolfowitz's cock every night while Rummy was f*cking him up the ass and Dubya's administration would have still finagled some way to get the 59,000,000 dumb-f*ck am-u-ricans to support them in order to invade with impunity.

Saddam's behavior does not give the US administration any reason to lower itself towards his level- period. But they did because it's easier to do it when someone is demonized. And for that reason, the two should never be brought up together in an argument.