Colin Powell resigns

[dissention]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

You knew the meal rods were unsuitable for nuclear stuff. You knew that SH did not have WMD. All of this was prior to the vote authorzing W to go to war. Thus, the information was out there. I guess Kerry never read it

I'll give that to you, good point.

[amber]

Originally Posted by dissention

He couldn't have resigned then? BULL****. He could have refused to lie to the global community.

k, but it's a matter of doing what you can at the time. I don't think it was extremely realistic for him to have resigned right then. And, i too think i'd rather have him than whatever asshole to the millionth power of Powell Bush will put in there now (hi Condie!)

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by dissention

Kerry never advocated war with Iraq in 1998. Them are the facts, learn them.

Nope - He authorized Clinton to use force if necesary and when Clinton did, he cupported Clinton. How that is not advocating war is beyond me.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by amber

k, but it's a matter of doing what you can at the time. I don't think it was extremely realistic for him to have resigned right then. And, i too think i'd rather have him than whatever asshole to the millionth power of Powell Bush will put in there now (hi Condie!)

It's not a good time for you to resign when your boss wants to break the law and lie to billions of people? Hold on, I feel the vomit erupting from my throat.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Nope - He authorized Clinton to use force if necesary and when Clinton did, he cupported Clinton. How that is not advocating war is beyond me.

Missile strikes are quite different from wars, but you're an educated man, so you probably already know that.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by dissention

Missile strikes are quite different from wars, but you're an educated man, so you probably already know that.

So the innocents murdered (your definition readily applied to W) were somehow less because it was via a missle instead of an all out invasion

Again, I guess you think SH retaliating by striking Isreal and Isreal clear statement that unlike in 1991, they were firing back would have just been a small quite skirmish between Isreal and Iraq even though the world's opinion at that time completely does not support your position.

[amber]

Originally Posted by dissention

It's not a good time for you to resign when your boss wants to break the law and lie to billions of people? Hold on, I feel the vomit erupting from my throat.

Wait! Hold that vomit, you're gonna need it for EVERY OTHER POLITICIAN AND SECRETARY OF STATE THAT EVER EXISTED!!!! um, have you studied how politicians really are? I've heard of, oh, about 2 or 3 in the history of the us who weren't totally ****ed up somehow. But i digress. I hope you feel better.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by amber

Wait! Hold that vomit, you're gonna need it for EVERY OTHER POLITICIAN AND SECRETARY OF STATE THAT EVER EXISTED!!!! um, have you studied how politicians really are? I've heard of, oh, about 2 or 3 in the history of the us who weren't totally ****ed up somehow. But i digress. I hope you feel better.

Once again, this goes right back to the discussion of people becoming so desensitized to the ****ty behavior of politicians that they not only expect that very behavior, but they accept it, too.

[amber]

Originally Posted by dissention

Missile strikes are quite different from wars, but you're an educated man, so you probably already know that.

You're right. I totally wouldn't mind of someone Missile struck my house, but a war against me would really freak me out

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by dissention

Once again, this goes right back to the discussion of people becoming so desensitized to the ****ty behavior of politicians that they not only expect that very behavior, but they accept it, too.

Thus, my vote for Kerry.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

So the innocents murdered (your definition readily applied to W) were somehow less because it was via a missle instead of an all out invasion

Not at all and you know it. I shouldn't even dignify that with a response.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by amber

You're right. I totally wouldn't mind of someone Missile struck my house, but a war against me would really freak me out

I see, I see. Go explain to the poor schlubs over in Iraq that missile strikes have the same impact as a wars, especially when it comes to "casualties" and insurgents.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by dissention

Not at all and you know it. I shouldn't even dignify that with a response.

Well, then what difference were you talking about. Was it that we did not invade the entire country. I suggest while that is a big difference, it is of no consequence to the people who died. AND - Clinton did it based on the same theory that W did it - SH was noncompliant and he had WMD, which made him a threat to the US and her allies. I cannot believe you think Clinton's actions were justified.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I cannot believe you think Clinton's actions were justified.

There you again, putting words in my mouth.

[amber]

Originally Posted by dissention

Once again, this goes right back to the discussion of people becoming so desensitized to the ****ty behavior of politicians that they not only expect that very behavior, but they accept it, too.

alright. good point. I don't really "accept it" but...