Ashcroft & Evans resign - Page 2

dissention · #16 11-10-2004, 03:51 PM

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"The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights, cannot claim to be defenders of minorities." -- Ayn Rand

I can't believe you quoted Ayn Rand.

strandinthewind · #17 11-10-2004, 04:11 PM

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I can't believe you quoted Ayn Rand.

I did not see that. I LOVE HER - despite that so so movie about her life a few years ago. "Atlas Shrugged" - which I read on a boat in the Mediterranean (sighs) - and "The Fountainhead" are two of my fav.'s ever - plus how can you miss with Cooper and Neal - swoon.

dissention · #18 11-10-2004, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I did not see that. I LOVE HER - despite that so so movie about her life a few years ago. "Atlas Shrugged" - which I read on a boat in the Mediterranean (sighs) - and "The Fountainhead" are two of my fav.'s ever - plus how can you miss with Cooper and Neal - swoon.

She was one loony chick, but she was a genius. No matter if you agreed with her on things, she was Einstein reincarnated. Atlas Shrugged is a masterpiece!!!

And I thought Helen Mirren made a great Rand. But she's good in everything she touches.

strandinthewind · #19 11-10-2004, 04:20 PM

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She was one loony chick, but she was a genius. No matter if you agreed with her on things, she was Einstein reincarnated. Atlas Shrugged is a masterpiece!!!

And I thought Helen Mirren made a great Rand. But she's good in everything she touches.

"Who is John Galt?"

Agreed about Mirran - IMO she can do no wrong. But, Stolz was tedious as was the pace. Im did, however, like it overall

I always wanted to be all of the main characters in "Atlas Shrugged!"

AND - you know the current oil industry is keeping that frictionless motor under wraps

dissention · #20 11-10-2004, 04:26 PM

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AND - you know the current oil industry is keeping that frictionless motor under wraps

That's not surprising.

I just ordered oil and it was $1.74 a gallon.

If you want to see a silly but wonderful movie, see "Calendar Girls." Mirren and crew were hilarious in it. And I just rented "The Clearing" with her and Redford, I've heard she'll probably get an Oscar nod for it.

strandinthewind · #21 11-10-2004, 04:29 PM

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If you want to see a silly but wonderful movie, see "Calendar Girls." Mirren and crew were hilarious in it. And I just rented "The Clearing" with her and Redford, I've heard she'll probably get an Oscar nod for it.

Saw and LOVED it!!!!!

I think her best was "Gosford Park" - esp. that end scene when she comes out of the staunch character. She was just BRILLIANT in that. She almost outshined Maggie Smith (who I still think should play Mick Fleetwood in the FM movie if they ever make it

) and her character was FAR more subtle.

I also think "The Roman Spring of Mrs. Stone" was incredible. She was so hot in that and she is not traditionally hot or even a beauty as those terms are conventionally defined.

I think her range matches or equals Julliane Moore, who I think is the paradigm.

strandinthewind · #22 11-10-2004, 04:36 PM

he picked A. Gonzales for Atty. General - please note the bold - again waving one hand to get your attention and robbing you blind with the other.

November 10, 2004
Bush Picks Alberto Gonzales to Replace Ashcroft at Justice Dept.
By DAVID STOUT

ASHINGTON, Nov. 10 - President Bush said today that he has chosen Alberto R.Gonzales, who he said had been "a calm and steady voice in times of crisis" as his White House counsel, to be the next attorney general of the United States, succeeding John Ashcroft.

Mr. Bush said he was confident that Mr. Gonzales would be "a steward of civil rights" as head of the Justice Department. He praised Mr. Ashcroft as "a superb public servant" and said Mr. Gonzales, whom he called a personal friend, would be a worthy successor.

Mr. Gonzales, who appeared at the White House with Mr. Bush, vowed to do his best to "make America better, safer and stronger." The nominee said he was committed to "justice for every American - on this principle, there can be no compromise."

Mr. Gonzales is a longtime friend and political ally from Mr. Bush's days as Texas governor, and he had been rumored to be a leading candidate to head the Justice Department after Mr. Ashcroft's departure. While there was no mention of possible controversy in the brief White House announcement, the nominee is likely to face sharp questioning on Capitol Hill.

During Mr. Bush's two terms in Austin, Mr. Gonzales was a close adviser, first as general counsel to the governor for three years and later as Texas secretary of state. In the latter post, he was Mr. Bush's chief adviser on issues involving Mexico and the Texas-Mexico border. Before joining the governor's staff he was a partner in a Houston law firm.

Mr. Gonzales served as a justice of the Supreme Court of Texas from 1999 until he came to Washington to work in the Bush administration. His name has also been mentioned from time to time as a possible nominee for the United States Supreme Court.

Mr. Ashcroft, whose resignation was announced on Tuesday, promised to remain in the post until a successor is confirmed. President Bush is expected to wait until January to formally send Mr. Gonzales's nomination to Capitol Hill, since the Senate that will be seated then will have a stronger Republican majority as a result of the elections.

Mr. Gonzales, 49, would be the first Hispanic attorney general. He is virtually certain to be questioned about a memo he wrote early in 2002 about the treatment of people detained by the United States after the American-led campaign to topple the Taliban regime in Afghanistan after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

On Jan. 25, 2002, Mr. Gonzales wrote a memorandum to President Bush in which he supported the Justice Department's position that suspected Al Qaeda and Taliban members did not need to be treated according to rules of the Geneva Conventions, which govern treatment of prisoners of war.

Mr. Gonzales argued that accepting the recommendations of the Justice Department would preserve flexibility in the global war against terrorism.

"The nature of the new war places a high premium on other factors such as the ability to quickly obtain information from captured terrorists and their sponsors in order to avoid further atrocities against American civilians," his memo said.

Mr. Gonzales went on to say that the war against terrorism, "in my judgment renders obsolete Geneva's strict limitations on questioning of enemy prisoners."

Given the allegations of mistreatment of some detainees at the Guantanamo Bay Naval Base in Cuba and the scandal over the abuse of prisoners in Iraq, some senators can be expected to ask the nominee whether he still embraces those views.

The American Civil Liberties Union issued a statement saying that it was sticking to its 80-year record of "uncompromising nonpartisanship" and thus taking no position on the nomination. "The board, staff and more than 400,000 members of the A.C.L.U. do call, however, for a full and thorough Senate confirmation process that scrutinizes Mr. Gonzales' positions on key civil liberties and human rights issues," the organization said.

People for the American Way issued a similar statement. "Alberto Gonzalez's role in the development of policies that ultimately led to the Abu Ghraib prison scandals in Iraq is deeply troubling," said the organization's president, Ralph G. Neas. "Few images have done more to scar our nation's image at home and abroad than the terrible pictures of prisoners being abused in Iraq. Further, there are many questions that must still be answered regarding the rights and treatments of detainees at Guantanamo Bay and elsewhere. We expect senators to question him closely on these matters."

from http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/10/po...rint&position=

dissention · #23 11-10-2004, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Saw and LOVED it!!!!!

I think her best was "Gosford Park" - esp. that end scene when she comes out of the staunch character. She was just BRILLIANT in that. She almost outshined Maggie Smith (who I still think should play Mick Fleetwood in the FM movie if they ever make it

) and her character was FAR more subtle.

I also think "The Roman Spring of Mrs. Stone" was incredible. She was so hot in that and she is not traditionally hot or even a beauty as those terms are conventionally defined.

I think her range matches or equals Julliane Moore, who I think is the paradigm.

Mirren is SMOKING HOT. There's just something about her that oozes sex.

Did you ever see "The Cook, the Thief, His Wife, and Her Lover"? That one is amazing.

I just bought "Safe" with Julianne Moore and I think it's one of her best performances. She plays a woman who becomes allergic to the twentieth century.

AND - I pre-ordered Altman's "Short Cuts," which is amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

David · #24 11-10-2004, 04:53 PM

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Mirren is SMOKING HOT.

Control yourself.

I've been wanting to see Helen Mirren in "Roman Spring," being a fan of the initial film treatment with Vivien Leigh & Lotta Lenya (as the wicked little procurer with a taste for lobster).

"Atlas Shrugged" a masterpiece? My advice: read more!

Now, who is Ashcroft?

dissention · #25 11-10-2004, 04:54 PM

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Control yourself.

I'm in control, but put Caligula on and I lose all of it.

strandinthewind · #26 11-10-2004, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by David

Control yourself.

I've been wanting to see Helen Mirren in "Roman Spring," being a fan of the initial film treatment with Vivien Leigh & Lotta Lenya (as the wicked little procurer with a taste for lobster).

"Atlas Shrugged" a masterpiece? My advice: read more!

Now, who is Ashcroft?

Like most things in that era, Leigh's portrayal was less literal than Mirren's was. That is not taking anything away from Leigh's becuase it was STUNNING and IMO better than Mirren's

Ashcroft is conservative guy who grabs the hidden braid in the "Til Tuesday" video "Voices Carry."