To Bush Supporters...

[cliffdweller]

Originally Posted by dissention

Sorry I wasn't hear earlier, my head was still in the bowl.

To hell with every person who voted for this scum. You've signed your death warrant and I hope you suffer because of it.

The joke's on us, but the real bitch is, the joke's on all of us, even the Kerry supporters.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by thepoetinmyhear

On the terrorist matter, this is where Kerry being portrayed as a flip flop hurt him the most. It seems many people feel it is important to have a strong stance against terrorist even to the extent of committing the wrong act to ensure safety. Not something I agree with 100% but it does seem better than someone who would spend months trying to decide what to do and ultimately letting the moment pass him by (letting a terrorist get away with it).

You mean like George did on 9/11?

[dissention]

Originally Posted by cliffdweller

The joke's on us, but the real bitch is, the joke's on all of us, even the Kerry supporters.

Not really. We've lived through his imperialism and trickery for the last four years, we have nothing left to lose. But when he starts drafting the children of his supporters, I'll just sit back and remember the old story about the lady that swallowed a fly...and it killed her. You reap what you sow.

[hauntedsong16]

Can someone explain to me why the belief here is that it is a woman's right to choose whether or not she wants to kill her baby as it is being born? I mean, if that's the case, shouldn't it be my right to choose if I want to off somebody in the street? Killing is killing, no matter how you try to spin it. For the record, I'm against the death penalty, too, so I don't feel I'm being hypocritical here. And seriously, explain it to me, because I'm honestly curious how one can justify it.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by thepoetinmyhear

On the terrorist matter, this is where Kerry being portrayed as a flip flop hurt him the most. It seems many people feel it is important to have a strong stance against terrorist even to the extent of committing the wrong act to ensure safety. Not something I agree with 100% but it does seem better than someone who would spend months trying to decide what to do and ultimately letting the moment pass him by (letting a terrorist get away with it).

You mean like Bush giving Bin Laden a two month running start before going into Afghanistan? Surely you jest.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

You mean like George did on 9/11?

Yep - AND I love how people think Kerry waiting for world support is a bad theing when that is EXACTLY what W did in Afganistan. He, through Powell, got a coalition together. Yet, when some of that coalition refused to go into Iraq because Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, W's admisitration fostered ill will toward those countries. I just cannot see how people can support W when he is just creepy and he destroys anyone who gets in his way, no matter what good those people may have done for America in the past.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by hauntedsong16

Can someone explain to me why the belief here is that it is a woman's right to choose whether or not she wants to kill her baby as it is being born? I mean, if that's the case, shouldn't it be my right to choose if I want to off somebody in the street? Killing is killing, no matter how you try to spin it. For the record, I'm against the death penalty, too, so I don't feel I'm being hypocritical here. And seriously, explain it to me, because I'm honestly curious how one can justify it.

Do you even know what partial-birth abortion is? It's not "killing a baby as it's being born." How absurd.

We had a whole thread about this throughout the week, read it please.

[ontheEdgeof17]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

You mean like George did on 9/11?

go to georgewgirls.com Although it was meant to be humerous, it's true as well. Even has a paragraph and articles on how Bush has even flip-flopped throughout his presidency.

[cliffdweller]

Originally Posted by dissention

Not really. We've lived through his imperialism and trickery for the last four years, we have nothing left to lose. But when he starts drafting the children of his supporters, I'll just sit back and remember the old story about the lady that swallowed a fly...and it killed her. You reap what you sow.

I hope you're right, because I fear that we won't be here in four years. The world hates us, and it's only going to get worse. Sorry for the doomsayer attitude but let's face facts, our fate is in his hands and that scares the piss out of me.

[GateandGarden]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

LMFAO. Oh the basis of having nice hats, I say we could elect Stevie.

I'm all for it!

Hillary

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by dissention

Yeah, the liberal extremists on this board are indicative of the Democratic party as a whole.

Forgive me while I puke. Nevermind, I haven't stopped since Tuesday night.

Whew. I was worried about you.

[skcin]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

What is that?

It's a method of abortion which necessitates that the fetus being partially into the birth canal in order to terminate the pregnancy. Radical pro-lifers can go into it more graphically/horrifically if they want to, but I won't. I'm a nurse, so there's a very basic medical explanation.

The battle comes down to when is a fetus a human being, is it murder, etc. These types of procedures are done later in a pregnancy (usually 2nd trimester, occasionally 3rd.) So the fetus is quite developed, making it even more controversial. The pregnancy is too far along to perform a routine abortion procedure.

Nobody is PRO- abortion. Kerry was not like "Hey, I love abortions. They're great!" His point was that Bush wants them banned totally, whether there's a risk to the woman's life or not. Kerry supported a ban, but with exceptions in the case of rape or threat to woman's life.

One of my good friends found out late in her pregnancy (5 months or so) that her fetus was not developing properly & there was a serious genetic defect. The fetus would not survive on its own, and would probably die in the womb. I believe it was missing most of its brain. They were seriously concerned about her health & complications that could occur, so they terminated. I would never want to take that right away from her - it's not my life, my choice, my family. It's hers. It was not something she wanted to do, but being a 30 year old woman with a 6 year old at home, she felt it was the best choice for her & her family.

Paula

[skcin]

Originally Posted by hauntedsong16

Can someone explain to me why the belief here is that it is a woman's right to choose whether or not she wants to kill her baby as it is being born? I mean, if that's the case, shouldn't it be my right to choose if I want to off somebody in the street? Killing is killing, no matter how you try to spin it. For the record, I'm against the death penalty, too, so I don't feel I'm being hypocritical here. And seriously, explain it to me, because I'm honestly curious how one can justify it.

See my above post & tell me if my friend should go to jail for "killing her baby. "

Paula

[hauntedsong16]

Originally Posted by skcin

See my above post & tell me if my friend should go to jail for "killing her baby. "

Paula

No, I don't think so. At all. It only concerns me in cases where there is not threat to the baby's life, mother's life, no health complications, etc. And honestly, I wasn't trying to attack anyone. I seriously just wanted someone to explain it to me, and you did. So thank you.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by hauntedsong16

No, I don't think so. At all. It only concerns me in cases where there is not threat to the baby's life, mother's life, no health complications, etc. And honestly, I wasn't trying to attack anyone. I seriously just wanted someone to explain it to me, and you did. So thank you.

I agree with you, but what standard is set to determine that. The current bill does not allow for it at all - thus, its Unconstitutionality