My Thoughts On The Next Four Years

[Moony]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

Bingo! Tell the man what he's won Bob.

*looks around for a prize* GIMME!

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by Moony

*looks around for a prize* GIMME!

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

Oh no, no, no. We're all a little bruised here from the last 24 hours. I'm still pissed off, can you tell?

I'm adamantly trying to temper my anger and disappointment, but those feelings are running pretty deep right now.

And I'm wishing I had the ability to just shrug it all off like some people seem capable of doing. "Oh, it's just four more years," and all of that.
I also remember the cautions about buying into the "propaganda of fear," and the idea that things are even more dire than they may seem. So I'm searching for that light at the end of the tunnel... something positive to hold onto that we can still make things better, before they get as worse as they could.

But this is always the danger when I care a little too much about something, and I knew that going in, so.... *sighs*

Anyway, enough of my Dork-Mode for one evening.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by Moony

*looks around for a prize* GIMME!

Well, I imagine the Boobie Prize won't appease you, so I guess we better come up with something else!

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by larg

he's helped make it more difficult for women to use abortion to EXCESSION (that is, he's prevented women from having more than one or two abortions-- I know at least two people who have had in the abortions DOUBLE DIGIT numbers, and this prevents them from that ability; they now have children, yes, but they also regret their past ways because of having children and the abortions becomming difficult. Not to mention they both have various internal problems that are excrutiatingly painful due to abortions),

This is one of the most disgusting, crude and hateful things I have read in a long time. It is none of your, nor our president's business who has an abortion and how many times they have them. Forcing women to raise children they cannot support is extremely judgmental and quite frankly, sick. You're all about the rights of the unborn, it's just once they're outside of the womb you want to cut social programs that help children. But you're okay with Iraqi babies/civilians being killed in an illegal war?

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

Well, I imagine the Boobie Prize won't appease you, so I guess we better come up with something else!

Bwaaah!

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

I'm adamantly trying to temper my anger and disappointment, but those feelings are running pretty deep right now.

And I'm wishing I had the ability to just shrug it all off like some people seem capable of doing. "Oh, it's just four more years," and all of that.
I also remember the cautions about buying into the "propaganda of fear," and the idea that things are even dire than they may seem. So I'm searching for that light at the end of the tunnel... something positive to hold onto that we can still make things better, before they get as worse as they could.

But this is always the danger when I care a little too much about something, and I knew that going in, so.... *sighs*

Anyway, enough of my Dork-Mode for one evening.

I hear you. If we don't have hope, we don't have anything.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by Moony

...I'm glad you don't because your passion makes you who you are, and I like ya for it. I think it is unwise to be so nonchalant about the next four years, myself.



*hug* Your not a dork, Johnny.

and gldstwn.

Moony

Thank you. I needed that.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by Moony

...I'm glad you don't because your passion makes you who you are, and I like ya for it. I think it is unwise to be so nonchalant about the next four years, myself.

*hug* Your not a dork, Johnny.

Very sweet words... and not to copy Goldie, but, thank you. I needed that.

(By the way, I can't believe I let such an appalling grammatical error as, "before they get as worse as they could," escape my fingertips! It's the grief, folks! )

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

Very sweet words... and not to copy Goldie, but, thank you. I needed that.

(By the way, I can't believe I let such an appalling grammatical error as, "before they get as worse as they could," escape my fingertips! It's the grief, folks! )

It's okay.

[AliP]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

Yes, I realize that John Kerry also said that he doesn't believe in same-sex marriage... a fact that I was not happy with... but, unlike President Bush, Kerry wasn't actively seeking, as Bush has, to take back some of the rights we ALREADY have, nor was he actively seeking, as Bush has, to amend the constitution to forever ban homosexuals from marrying. Thus forever sealing our fates in this country.

Johnny - I realize it is hard for you to be optimistic, but to maybe to provide a little shred of hope...3/4 of the states must pass the amendment, which is 38 I think ?? And that's only after 2/3 of both the House and Senante approve the amendment. (But I'm sure you already knew that.) I'm going to be optimistic and say it won't happen.


And so with that, I'm outta here.

[Vianna]

"Many of us are scared to death about Bush's cavilier agenda"

I am one of these. I do not like his attitude toward the Constitution, his religious right friends and his international policies. I am afraid for our rights-to have our own beliefs re: religion, same sex marriage, abortion, stem cell research. The Privacy Act is already infringing the Fourth Amendment. I cannot accept the influence these born again Christians have on him. If he wants to deal with the Middle East Muslim fundamentalists, he should be doing it through the United Nations.

I am depressed beyond belief over this election. Bush can talk all he wants about unity but he is the one that has created disunity so far. What's worse, if you look at the electoral map on CNN you'll see that the division in this country is almost sectional-Northeast and the Far West in one section and the rest of the country in the other. Not particularly comforting if you ask me.

It is also likely that Bush may get the opportunity to select 2 supreme court justices. If he does get to do that he will basically control all three branches of government-also not a comforting thought.

Will I get over this? After awhile no doubt but I will be watching him very carefully. I am hoping he'll hang himself by his own rope figuratively and get himself impeached.

[Vianna]

By the way it's nice to be able to come here and chat with people who feel like I do about this. Where I work is a hotbed of Republicanism and I don't dare open my mouth except to a coulple of people...

[Sugar]

Originally Posted by Vianna

By the way it's nice to be able to come here and chat with people who feel like I do about this. Where I work is a hotbed of Republicanism and I don't dare open my mouth except to a coulple of people...

I know what you mean. I work for the local paper and I heard our Republican columnist talking the other day about history judging Bush as the greatest president since Lincoln. I couldn't believe it. I mean OK so you support the guy...but greatest since LINCOLN???

Sometimes I wonder, Is the Clinton hate THIS strong?

[Patti]

I've been pretty depressed the last 24 hours, as I know you all have been too, but I have decided, for me it's best to let the anger go for a while. I will be watching Dubya like a hawk, no doubt, but I refuse to let anger consume me. I think the best thing I can do is to be a watchdog and fight when the time is right.

I can't speak for all of you but I think the best thing we can do together is to figure out what *we* as Democrats did wrong and fix it. I'm not suggesting we abandon our principles, but over the next four years, we need to learn how to get the job done. Sadly, over half the country voted for Bush and his "moral" issues. I don't understand it, I don't agree with it, it truly puzzles me, but it's there. The word liberal has such a bad connotation now. We need to change that. I don't know how, but we will never reclaim the government if we don't.

JS and all my other gay friends here, my heart truly bleeds for you. It sickens me that there is so much hate out there for you right now. It's all about love and the religious right makes it all about hate and intolerance. I am confident that someday there will be a change and you will get the equal rights you all so deserve.

So chins up, guys. We don't need to "get over it", but we can channel that anger into something positive.